This file contains the complete contents of the FlagShip Bulletin board 
"Plus /+4 Port of Call" (Category 13) as of January 14, 1989. 
Due to the age of the information in the category, and the fact that the  
machine is no longer being manufactured, we strongly advise confirming that 
products mentioned are still available before attempting to order. 
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No. Subject                                  Msgs Status Author 
  1 Welcome to the Port!!                       2 Closed TIGLON.G [*SysOp*] 
  2 Plus /+4 Books/Technical Manuals            2 Open   TIGLON.G [*SysOp*] 
  3 Plus /+4 Users' Groups                      2 Open   TIGLON.G [*SysOp*] 
  4 Plus /+4 Roll Call!                        21 Open   TIGLON.G [*SysOp*] 
  5 Plus /+4 XModem Programs/Support           12 Open   TIGLON.G [*SysOp*] 
  6 Using the Plus/+4 With 1200 Baud           13 Open   TIGLON.G [*SysOp*] 
  7 Up/Downloading and Buffer Capturing         4 Open   J.GILHOUSEN[JOHN-MARK] 
  8 +4 software library                         2 Open   PORKCHOP 
  9 Xmodem+4 - NOW Online!                      2 Open   TIGLON.G [*SysOp*] 
 10 +4 video                                    3 Open   D.KLEAR [Brer Rabbit] 
 11 Plus/4 Technical Information?               2 Open   L.MCCLURE 
 12   Looking for +4 bbs software               3 Open   J.MALLEY 
 13 C-16 PowerPack Lost                         2 Open   DON.ROM 
 14 character sets                              3 Open   C.BALL1 
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Topic 1         Thu Dec 18, 1986 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 06:37 EST 
Sub: Welcome to the Port!!                   
As requested, here is *YOUR* Plus /+4 Bulletin Board Category! Welcome aboard 
to the *ONLY* online support area for the Plus /+4 Users!  
2 message(s) total. 
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Category 13,  Topic 1 
Message 1         Thu Dec 18, 1986 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 06:39 EST 
  
This will be the new online home for the Plus /+4 Community! Check out the 
individual topics here before you post your message! If there is not a  topic 
started, then by all means, start one! Again, welcome aboard!! 
  -<* Gayle, *FlagShip* Plus /+4 SysOp 
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Category 13,  Topic 1 
Message 2         Mon Dec 29, 1986 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 19:03 EST 
  
The Software Library for the Plus /+4 Users is # 28!! ALL files will be 
searchable with the KEYWORD: PLUS4 ! Enjoy! 
 -<* Gayle, *FlagShip* Plus /+4 SysOp 
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Topic 1 has been closed.  No replies allowed 
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Topic 2         Thu Dec 18, 1986 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 06:49 EST 
Sub: Plus /+4 Books/Technical Manuals        
Post any /+4 Reference manuals and books in this topic!!  
2 message(s) total. 
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Category 13,  Topic 2 
Message 1         Thu Dec 18, 1986 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 06:51 EST 
  
The Programmer's Reference Guide for the Commodore Plus/+4, Cyndie Merten and 
Sarah Meyer, 439pp, Scott Foresman, $21.95. 
Commodore Plus/+4: Computerfacts CC9, Howard W. Sams, $17.95 (21 pages of 
 schematics & technical data). 
The Complete Commodore Inner Space Anthology, Karl J. H. Hildon, 122pp, 
Transactor Magazine, $12.95. 
ML for the C64 and Other Commodore Computers, Jim Butterfield, 326pp, Brady 
 Communications, $16.95. MicroTechnic Solutions has the PLUS 4 TED Technical 
Data Manual from CBM. The table of contents is as follows: 
 SYSTEM OVERVIEW 
 INTRODUCTION 
 POWER CONSUMPTION 
 SYSTEM ARCHITECTURE 
 ELECTRICAL SPECIFICATIONS 
 THE TED CHIP 
  Features 
  Modes 
  Internal Operation 
  Register Descriptions 
  Chip Characteristics 
 TIMING DIAGRAMS 
  Ted DMA 
  Ted Video 
  DRAM 
  ROM 
  6551,6529 
  System 
 MEMORY MAPS 
  Fundamental Memory Map 
  Ted Memory Map 
 JUMP TABLES 
 STSTEM ROM 
 SCREEN EDITOR 
 ESCAPE TOKENS 
 TEDMON COMMANDS 
 INPUT/OUTPUT 
  Serial Interface 
  Expansion Port 
  Video Interface 
  User Port 
  Keyboard Matrix 
Schematics are available in the PLUS /+4 Service Manual, Part # 314001-04 from 
CBM in West Chester. 
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Category 13,  Topic 2 
Message 2         Thu Dec 18, 1986 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      at 19:46 EST 
  
Three more titles to add to the list: 
THE COMMODORE C16/PLUS 4 COMPANION [A Beginner's Guide] by Brian Lloyd; 
written as a 'first' book for the new owner. 
THE WORKING C16/PLUS 4 by David Lawrence, a guide to developing applications, 
complete with example programs. 
PLUS/4 TECHNICAL DESCRIPTION by Tri- Micro Staff, includes IC pin-outs, main 
board logic, parts list, troubleshootingchart, and instructions to adapt print- 
 er interfaces designed to connect to theC64's joystick or cassette port to 
con- nect to the Plus/4. 
The above titles are available from Tri-Micro's Plus Exchange. 
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Topic 3         Thu Dec 18, 1986 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 07:13 EST 
Sub: Plus /+4 Users' Groups                  
THE place to post the /+4 User Groups and such! 
2 message(s) total. 
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Category 13,  Topic 3 
Message 1         Thu Dec 18, 1986 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 07:15 EST 
  
PLUS/4 USERS GROUPS 
------------------- 
The following is a list of Plus/4 Users Groups and resources compiled 
December, 1986, from various sources by John-Mark Gilhousen (J.GILHOUSEN). 
THE PLUS/4 USERS GROUP (PLUG) Box 1001 Monterey, CA 93942 
This group reports to be an 'international' organization of Plus/4 users. They 
maintain a P.D. program library and publish a monthly newsletter. They also 
support C16 owners. Annual dues are $20.00, which includes a free starter disk 
of utilities, games, and graphics programs for new members. Additional disks 
(and tapes) are available $6/each and anyone submitting programs to the 
library will receive the library disk of their choice in return. 
PLUS/EXCHANGE Tri-Micro P.O. Box 11300 Santa Ana, CA 832-6719 Order & Info:  
(714)832-6719 Tech. Support: (714)549-1902 
This is a 'hybrid' between user group and commercial operation. Tri-Micro is 
the software company that developed the built-in software for the Plus/4. When 
CBM quit supporting the machine, they started the Plus/Exchange, which offers 
a wide variety of commercial software, peripherals and support for the Plus/4, 
as well as publishing a monthly newsletter which includes software reviews, 
news, programming information, and Tri-Micro's current catalog. Members 
receive a substantial discount on all Tri-Micro purchases. Membership is 
$40.00 annually and includes unlimited use of the technical support phone 
line. 
C16 & PLUS/4 USERS GROUP 8202 Edwill Avenue Baltimore, MD 21237 
PLUS/4 SOFTWARE EXCHANGE USER GROUP 493 Hot Springs Road #3 Carson City, NV 
89701 
PLUS/4 ORPHANAGE P.O. Box 9201 Albequerque, NM 87119 
No information on these three groups has been received as of December, 1986. 
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Category 13,  Topic 3 
Message 2         Sun Dec 21, 1986 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      at 11:40 EST 
  
I finally got a response from the Plus/4Software Exchange User Group, Carson 
City, NV (if you can call it a "response"), my letter to them was returned by 
the Post Office marked "MOVED - NO FORWARDING ADDRESS."  Oh well.  I still 
haven't heard from the other two groups but will report as quick as I do. 
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Topic 4         Thu Dec 18, 1986 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 07:21 EST 
Sub: Plus /+4 Roll Call!                     
Let us here from YOU, the /+4 owners! 
21 message(s) total. 
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Category 13,  Topic 4 
Message   1       Sat Oct 25, 1986 
JLROBERTS [JLR]              (Forwarded)  
  
THERE IS AT LEAST ONE OTHER +/4 USER ON GENIE.  PERHAPS THEY MOSTLY GAVE UP ON 
GENIE LIKE I ALMOST DID? AFTER ALL, FLAGSHIP COMMODORE HAS ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING 
ABOUT THE +/4 EXCEPT DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS ONE WHICH TEND TO BE MOSTLY 
NEGATIVE. 
 Here's one litle tidbit I've picked up about the +/4: It seems that the +/4 
was designed as to be capable of operating in a virtual memory mode.  As to 
whether the engineers actually desinged a VM operating  system for it, I 
don't know.  Now. Tell me that it's a joke! If they were serious enough to set 
aside some meory for VM then the +/4 can hardly be considered a joke! It seems 
that people are quick to fault the machine when it has no fault except the 
misfortune of getting dumped when Commodore was about to go under. It's a good 
machine and it has potential. Even after being orphaned. 
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Message   2       Sat Nov 15, 1986 
J.GILHOUSEN                  (Forwarded)  
  
Enter another Plus/4 userr into the world of GEnie... I love the machine, but 
spent over a year in frustration trying to translate C64 software full of 
peeks and pokes to run on the critter!  Only recently has COMPUTE! Gazette and 
others started publishing meaningful Plus/4 stuff, and the Programmer's 
Reference Guide didn't come out until after CBM stopped manufacturing -- and 
they wonder why it didn't sell?  Anyway, I now also have a C64 and use both 
machines for personal, business and volunteer work.  I have translated a lot 
of C64 programs for my +/4 so that they can be used interchangably.  Some of 
them are copyrighted, but I plan to sift through and find the P.D. ones, and 
will upload them gladly. 
  Some Problems -- I have the Scott Foresman Programmer's Reference Guide, and 
find that the "Complete Memory Maps" are, in fact, reprints of Jim Butter- 
field's Memory Outline from Transactor, the SID map from the Owner's manual, 
and a more detailed Map that appears to be little more than the one that CBM 
published in their magazine when the machine first came out (less the labels). 
My biggest problem is that I have yet to find documentation of the BASIC ROM 
routines, and have not yet had the courage to wade into disassembling the 
whole thing... besides, I may not even have the expertise (a fairly sure bet, 
actually). 
     AT ANY RATE... I would love to communicate with other orphaned Plus/4 
owners... and I would especially like to see a section of the Software Library 
here set aside for those of us who have the magnanimity to upload our 
tediously translated Plus/4 programs. 
     By the way, this is my first msg on GEnie... and I got a bit carried 
away!  I'll try not to be so wordy in future... after all, it's my nickel! 
                 >>> John-Mark 
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Category 13,  Topic 4 
Message   3       Sat Nov 15, 1986 
MICHAEL.M [-:SysOp:-]        (Forwarded)  
  
John-Mark: 
   Welcome aboard!!  Glad to see more Plus/4 folk in our midst! Although I 
don't have the machine, I am nonetheless interested in  hearing more about it. 
[watching eagerly from the sidelines] -=:Mike 
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Category 13,  Topic 4 
Message   4       Sun Nov 16, 1986 
SPARROW.J                    (Forwarded)  
  
Plus/4 and C-16 owners might want to study various C-128 articles, books and 
publications (anybody know a good one, snicker) since BASIC 7.0 is very 
similar to BASIC 3.5 on the +4 and the C16.  In addition, the machines have somesimilarities in design. 
--Sparrow James 
  Managing Editor, Twin Cities 128 & GEnie Flagship Sysop 
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Category 13,  Topic 4 
Message   5       Sun Nov 16, 1986 
JLROBERTS [JLR]              (Forwarded)  
  
WELCOME, JOHN-MARK. 
I am a Plus/4 owner, myself, with a C64 in storage... I don't use it if I can 
avoid it. I think that you have talked me out of getting the Plus/4 
Programmer's Reference manual. I already have that memory map and much more  
which I have learned on my own. If what you say is true, then I amay have 
more than the book as far as info on the +4/. 
You may have noticed that no XMODEM terminal program is available. That has 
changed mow. There is now a program called P/4TERM which  uses XMODEM protocol 
for the +4. I haven't got all the details yet, as I 've just heard about it. 
As soon as I know more, I will pass it along. 
Also, watch this space for hacks for HiggyTerm to allow full 8-bit data 
capture... 
JLR 
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Category 13,  Topic 4 
Message   6       Sun Nov 16, 1986 
J.GILHOUSEN                  (Forwarded)  
  
Thanks for your replies, guys.  I am especially heartened to hear about 
+4TERM.  I am currently using the C64 for most of my telecomputing, and then 
translating the files for use on the +/4 since the software is not trans- 
portable.  ARGH.  Anyway, I've found TRI-MICRO to be a greatly helpful source 
of info and goodies.  They wrote the built-in software package, and have 
upgrades and utilities for those programs, other +/4 specific software and 
hardware (including adaptors for C64 peripherals), and they publish a news- 
letter called PLUS EXCHANGE.  Their address is P.O. Box 11300, Santa Ana, CA 
92711 - phone (714) 832-6719.  No, they didn't pay me for this announcement. 
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, if you are interested in sharing info, programs, 
etc., hit me with some E-mail <J.Gilhousen>.  That's all for now! 
                           >>John-Mark 
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Category 13,  Topic 4 
Message   7       Thu Nov 20, 1986 
JLROBERTS [JLR]              (Forwarded)  
  
FOR ALL THOSE INTERESTED IN GETTING A REAL XMODEM TERMINAL PROGRAM FOR THE 
PLUS4, THERE IS A  DESCRIPTION OF SUCH A ONE IN THE LIBRARY, FILE #2661. I 
HAVE NOT TRIED IT YET. THE FILE IS UPLOADED WITH PERMISSION OF THE AUTHOR, 
DENNIS LARSON. 
JLR 
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Category 13,  Topic 4 
Message  14       Mon Dec 29, 1986 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      (Forwarded)  
  
I'm John-Mark Gilhousen, and I'm deeply interested in getting Plus/4 people to- 
gether.  I'm working on translating C64 programs for the Plus/4, and uploading 
all my P.D. library to the Port of Call so if there is something you 
especially want to see, let me know and I'll move it up on my priority list. 
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Category 13,  Topic 4 
Message 15        Fri Jan 23, 1987 
DEBS-GUEST                   at 02:19 EST 
  
  I'm Calvin Demmon (using Deb's account by permission), and I'm the president 
of PLUG, the Plus/4 Users' Group (Box 1001, Monterey, CA 93942).  I'm very 
interested in seeing Plus/4 on-line activity grow and prosper, and I plan to 
upload programs from the club library here.   
  If there's anything that irks me, it's the ignorant comments of C-64 owners 
who have never had their hands on a Plus/4 but who nevertheless express the 
opinion that it's an inferior machine.  I cut my computing teeth on a Plus/4, 
and when I finally got to use a C-64 I was appalled.  I was used to typing 
DIRECTORY and getting a directory list that didn't destroy the program in 
memory.  I was used to DSAVE and DLOAD and HEADER.  I found that to accomplish 
anything on the C-64 you had to use Sanskrit-like commands.  I also found that 
the C-64 has less available memory (although one "knowledgeable" C-64 owner 
once told me seriously that the Plus/4's memory was smaller because the built- 
in software used most of it up!).  I have a C-64 now and I never use it if I 
can avoid it.   
  Anyway, forgive me for getting up on my soap box.  One other thing irks me: 
Commodore's incredibly bad attitude when it comes to supporting those of us 
who paid them our hard-earned bucks for the Plus/4 and have received nothing 
but the cold shoulder ever since. That's why we started PLUG, and although 
it's hardly a perfect organization (the newsletter doesn't always come out on 
time, library orders are sometimes delayed, etc.), it does bring about 500 
Plus/4 users together now, and I personally have learned a tremendous amount 
from the other members. 
  We have to support ourselves with the Plus/4 -- Commodore isn't going to do 
it. 
   OK.  This is too long.  Sorry.  I just want to put a couple of addresses 
here.  There is much more Plus/4 and C-16 software available in England than 
there is here.  Write to these folks for software lists and prices[ 
   YES! Software, Unit 4, Norside, Oldmixon Crescent, Weston-Super-Mare, Avon, 
England. 
   Parasoft, 9 Park Terrace, Worcester Park, Surrey KT4 7JZ England. 
   Microsnips, 37 Seaview Rd., Wallasey, Merseyside, L45 4QN, England. 
   Gremlin Graphics, Alpha House, 10 Carver St., Sheffield S1 4FS, England. 
  Audiogenic, 39 Suttons Industrial Park, Reading RG1 6AZ, England. 
  C16-Plus/4 Centre, ANCO Marketing Ltd., 4 West Gate House, Spital Street, 
Dartford, Kent DA1 2EH, England.  (They advertise that they sell "anything to 
do with the C16 or Plus/4," including games, joysticks, RAM packs, leads, 
interfaces, and books.) 
   Also: Your Commodore, a monthly magazine published in England, carries a 
lot of ads for Plus/4 stuff, and even some good type-in programs. 
   Your Commodore, Infonet Ltd., Times House, 179 The Marlowes, Hemel, 
Hempstead, Herts. HP1 1BB. 
   Buying things through the international mail isn't too difficult.  You need 
to get a bank draft (at your local bank) in pounds.  Unless you go hog-wild 
and order a whole bunch of stuff, you usually won't have to pay any duty on it 
when it comes in.  I set up a standard form letter on my Plus/4's good old 
built-in word processor and send out the same request for information to every 
company as soon as I learn of a new address. 
    *s 
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Category 13,  Topic 4 
Message 16        Sat Jan 24, 1987 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      at 00:30 EST 
  
Thanks for the info, Calvin.  Hope to see ya here soon with your own 
account... and some of your 500 members would be most welcome. 
                   John-Mark 
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Message 17        Wed Feb 18, 1987 
D-C-A                        at 00:56 EST 
  
Dear fellow Plus/4 users, I'm new here having just come on line the past week 
or so ago. I'm very much in love with the Plus/4! Although I do have those 
frustrating moments now and then I fine that things usualy work out with this 
marvelous machine! 
 Be looking for an expanded library! I'm determind to upload lots of programs! 
many of these programs soon to come may seem a bit trivial, (I'm no mathemat- 
ition), but I maintain the idea that, "something is better than nothing". 
 Hope to hear from you all,and happy computing! 
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Category 13,  Topic 4 
Message 18        Wed Feb 18, 1987 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 03:54 EST 
  
Well welcome aboard DCA! I will be on the lookout for your programs!!! 
  -<* Gayle, *FlagShip* SysOp 
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Category 13,  Topic 4 
Message 19        Wed Feb 18, 1987 
MICHAEL.M [-:SysOp:-]        at 20:32 EST 
  
Ditto!  Welcome to the *Ship*! 
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Category 13,  Topic 4 
Message 20        Wed Feb 18, 1987 
R.RETHORST                   at 23:17 CST 
  
Thank GOD!!!!! I just started using GEnie last week after our CIS MegaWars III 
team Heard about this network and how much it costs! Was just exploring 
tonight and saw the category!!!!  What a relief to see a real +4 forum (BBS or 
whatever its called) Well will look forward to more future visits 
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Category 13,  Topic 4 
Message 21        Thu Feb 19, 1987 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 02:26 EST 
  
RR! You will also find a totally Plus 4 Software Library, # 28! Check out some 
of the programs, and feel free to upload and join in!! 
  -<* Gayle, *FlagShip* SysOp 
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Topic 5         Thu Dec 18, 1986 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 07:25 EST 
Sub: Plus /+4 XModem Programs/Support        
Anyone else attempting to program XModem on the /+4??  
12 message(s) total. 
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Category 13,  Topic 5 
Message 1         Thu Dec 18, 1986 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      at 19:57 EST 
  
Those of you who have been following the threads under "TELECOMMUNICATIONS" 
know that I have been getting balder by tear-ing what's left of my hair out by 
the roots while trying to develop a working XMODEM terminal program for the 
Plus/4, but I thought I ought to post my pleas for assistance here at our new 
"PORT", and to report that by adapting the modules supplied by C.H.U.G. 
(APPEND2.ML), I have managed to get a prototype program running which 
successfuly UPloads by XMODEM and transfers files by simple ASCII transfer, 
but my XMODEM download routine has a fatal bug which causes it to run at WARP 
SPEED into an abort! I have sent my source code and notes to Tiggy, so if 
anyone wants to see if he/ she can find the bug (and swat it) you can get the 
file from her.  <Sorry, Tiggy, but I don't expect you to be flooded with 
requests> 
I'll keep trying, and hope we have something to offer the P.D. soon! 
               >> John-Mark << 
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Category 13,  Topic 5 
Message   2       Sun Jan 04, 1987 
MIKE.COMBS                   (Forwarded)  
  
I'm not exactly a Plus4 owner.  I got one and GAVE IT AWAY to a local sysop 
who runs a BBS on a VIC 20.  (The BBS is incredibly slow.)  I was hoping he 
could run a better system on the Plus4.  So I check in here every so often to 
see if there is any hope of running a BBS on it.  I also check the CBM 
department because I gave my brother a C64. SOOOoooo...What this means is that 
I'm begging for help getting the Plus4 to run a decent BBS.  And if it does 
happen, I promise to post a summary of my experiences in getting the system up 
and running to everyone here.  (Hardly a fair trade, but it's the best I can 
do.) 
Thanks...mac 
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Category 13,  Topic 5 
Message   3       Mon Jan 05, 1987 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      (Forwarded)  
  
Good News and Bad News, MAC... 
With its UART chip, the PLUS/4 is capable of speeds in excess of any other 
CBM machine (if we don't count the AMI) and that is the end of the good news! 
Bad news:  I know of nobody who has programmed the Plus/4 for BBS... and worse 
news: CBM in its wisdom didn't connect the carrier detect, so the only way for 
a Plus/4 BBS program to start up would be to continuously test for input and 
hangup after time limit was exceeded... cumbersome at best. 
I have been working hard on an ML program for XMODEM terminal for the Plus/4 
and am accumulating more than I ever thought I wanted to know about RS-232 
handling on the Plus/4.  I will be happy to share this information with you 
or your BBS friend... just drop me E- mail. 
                      John-Mark 
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Category 13,  Topic 5 
Message   4       Mon Jan 05, 1987 
DEB [*SysOp*]                (Forwarded)  
  
Good News, tho, J-M!  If you use a Hayes type modem, you can test the RS-232 
port for either a status message string: 
  'CONNECT'  'CONNECT 1200' or the result codes<which are numeric values 
rather than long strings>. 
The key word up there is Hayes type ... I'm talking Hayes compatibility, not 
quasi-AT style commands!!  Some of the less expensive modems being sold 
nowadays don't support regular status messages like a Hayes does,  nor do they 
return result codes <or the same result codes in some instances>. 
At any rate, I'd say that putting up a 1200/300 BBS would notbe too hard at 
ALL with a 1670!!  Just look for the CONNECT or CONNECT 1200 to answer and to 
disconnect, pull down the DTR line. *snap!*  and they are Off! 
     *deb!* 
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Category 13,  Topic 5 
Message   5       Mon Jan 05, 1987 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      (Forwarded)  
  
WOW, DEB!!!  That is, indeed, great news!  Especially since I was planning to 
buy a Hayes compatible for my C64 anyway (my 1660 is definitely getting to be 
a bore!).  Is there any reason why you would recommend a 1670 over a third- 
party Hayes compatible... the latter definitely apapears to give "more bang 
for the buck" and was the direction I was leaning. 
                    J-M 
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Category 13,  Topic 5 
Message   6       Mon Jan 05, 1987 
DEB [*SysOp*]                (Forwarded)  
  
In the case of a Plus/+4, there may be a distinct advantage to using a Hayes 
compatible modem with an RS-232 interface!  Because you can switch a Hayes 
compatible modem with dip switches to support: 
   *> Continuous DTR 
   *> DTR true <Only when terminal is ready> 
   *> Continous DCD 
   *> DCD true <Only when carrier *is* connected to the modem> 
ALSO...there are a couple of RS-232 interfaces which allow you to switch 
whether the DCD and DTR lines go high or low!  
I'm not so sure that the Plus/4 *cannot* detect carrier, I think its more that 
it *does* detect carrier, only does it in a backwards manner from other CBM 
computers...!   How's that correspond with what you know? 
        *deb!* 
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Category 13,  Topic 5 
Message   7       Mon Jan 05, 1987 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      (Forwarded)  
  
There is no reference to carrier detect in the Plus/4 Programmers Reference 
Guide (which doesn't surprise me, as usually when I consult this book with a 
question I leave without an answer). I based my assumption that carrier de- 
tect was not enabled on the Plus/4 by the fact that the 1660 carrier detect 
line has to be cut in order to become Plus/4 compatible.  CBM has not answered 
any of my letters with RS232 questions on the Plus/4, but I am expecting a 
call from David Johnson, senior programmer at Tri-Micro, tomorrow, and will 
ask HIM!  Thanks for the info on the Hayes compatibles... I think that is the 
route I am going to go... and I am planning to buy the new Aprotek RS232 
interface, if they con- firm that it will fit into the Plus/4's port, which as 
I am sure you know, physically slightly smaller than that on the C64 and C128. 
                   J-M 
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Category 13,  Topic 5 
Message 8         Thu Jan 08, 1987 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      at 03:30 EST 
  
I am using Dennis Larson's P/TERM 4 for the first time, tonight.  It is a fair- 
ly impressive little puppy, and I would recommend it on first impressions.  
It does have some quirks I dislike, but they are more in the category of items 
for consideration of the author in  enhancing future versions, rather than 
fatal flaws... except ONE.  It does not have a half-duplex setting, which 
means having to request full duplex from GEnieat logon... I don't know the 
full im- plications of this, since GEnie seems to be functioning well for me 
tonight in full duplex mode.  If anyone is interested, I will write up a 
more extensive review of the program and post it in the Library area. 
                       J-M 
P.S.  It is ENTIRELY machine language, so any complaints of speed would have 
to be that it sometimes works TOO FAST, a problem I can live with!!! 
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Category 13,  Topic 5 
Message 9         Fri Jan 23, 1987 
DEBS-GUEST                   at 02:28 EST 
  
   This is Calvin Demmon, of PLUG, the Plus/4 Users' Group, using Deb's 
account by permission. 
   I haven't seen this program yet, but Bob Harrison of Canada has written a 
Plus/4 term program in ML that he says works with the 1660 or 1670 and 
supports upload/download in both Punter and Xmodem. 
  He also says he operates a BBS called Caesar's Den on a Plus/4! 
  He sells his term program for $20 and the BBS program for $85. 
  His address is Bob Harrison, 13278 - 79A Ave., Surrey, B.C. V3W 6P3, CANADA. 
  The BBS number is 604-591-3040. 
  I just heard from Bob yesterday so I haven't had time to check any of this 
out, but if he has a BBS running on his Plus/4 that's very interesting. 
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Message 10        Sat Jan 24, 1987 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      at 09:29 EST 
  
WARNING:  I called the BBS number in Calvin's notice.  It is not accurate. I 
got the guy's voice line from infor- mation, and as soon as I get ahold of him 
to find out his BBS number and its operating hours, I'll post the info. 
                        J-M 
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Category 13,  Topic 5 
Message 12        Sun Feb 15, 1987 
D-C-A                        at 20:06 EST 
  
Check out Xmodem program, (writen in basic), for 64 and 128 in, 'Compute!', 
January 1987 pg. 75. It Should need very little conversion for the +4. Good 
luck! If anyone is successful, please upload it in 7 bit text. 
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Topic 6         Sun Mar 01, 1987 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 17:32 EST 
Sub: Using the Plus/+4 With 1200 Baud        
Never thought you could do that eh? 
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Category 13,  Topic 6 
Message 1         Sun Mar 01, 1987 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 17:35 EST 
  
  Well, after giving up on getting online with my Plus 4 and its 1660 <that 
has been fixed FOR the Plus4>, I tried to prove an answer to a question given 
to me in mail from D-C-A. I took one of my 1670's, reset the din pins in the 
back for the Plus 4, which it mentions in the back of the Modem User's Guide, 
<UP/DOWN/UP> and plugged it in the port on the +4.  
Using HiggyTerm for the +4, I set the parameters like this: 
       1. Duplex: Half 
       2. Line feed: no 
       3. Stop bits: 1 
       4. Parity: none 
       5. Baud rate: 1200 
       6. Word length: 8 
       7. Set time 
       8. Dial mode:Touch tone 
       9. Answer phone: no 
       O. Ring delay: 2 
       A. Line Control: 1660 
Yes, I left the line control at 1660. 
Going into terminal mode, and sending the normal AT commands, such as 
ATX1S0=0, which turns off the auto-answer and gives you true Hayes command 
repeat, I  ATDT'ed my local number at 1200 baud. 
Well friends, as you can see, this little baby IS online AT 1200 baud! So, if 
you have a 1670 on one of your other ma machines, reset the switches on the 
back of the modem, and try it yourself! You will find the Plus 4 version of 
Higgyterm in Library 28 here on the FlagShip! 
Thanks to D-C-A <Dave> for the question!! 
  -<* Gayle, *FlagShip* SysOp 
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Category 13,  Topic 6 
Message 2         Mon May 04, 1987 
D.KLEAR                      at 00:10 EDT 
  
I downloaded higgyterm+4 off Genie but whoever uploaded it left a password to 
get at the function key definitions anybody know what it is Also I would like 
to know where to get Pterm+4 (47k buffer) and if it will work with the 1670 
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Category 13,  Topic 6 
Message 3         Mon May 04, 1987 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 00:23 EDT 
  
Klear: The password for Higgy is "64" I believe, which has been in there for 
as long as I have used it.  
Pterm is available from Dennis Larsen, and as far as I know, it does not work 
with the 1670, but I may be wrong. I will post the address in a minute! 
        -<* Gayle 
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Category 13,  Topic 6 
Message 4         Mon May 04, 1987 
DEB [*SysOp*]                at 19:32 EDT 
  
the password is either 'C64' or 'COM64' or a variation thereof. it can be 
changed, once you have it, tho. 
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Category 13,  Topic 6 
Message 5         Mon May 04, 1987 
D.KLEAR                      at 23:50 EDT 
  
TIGLON and DEB I'm on right now with the plus4 at 1200  GREAT!! The password 
for the function keys is  +4    I set up the keys so they dial and of course 
enter the id  They can be set to automatically enter the carriage return. 
Anyplace where there are any docs on this to tell of some of the other 
functions. By the way the only fault I find is the Question marks  and > 
symbols for some reason are double echoed? finally a use for my 4 Genie even 
respons better on it than the 128 or  maybe this is my lucky night 
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Category 13,  Topic 6 
Message 6         Mon May 04, 1987 
DEB [*SysOp*]                at 23:52 EDT 
  
password being +4...heck, I should have thought of that!  good goin!!!! 
  ** 
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Category 13,  Topic 6 
Message 7         Tue May 05, 1987 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 04:44 EDT 
  
Klear: When I use the Plus 4, I get those extra characters also. I'd *love* to 
know why, but it does not happen all the time. Maybe someone else might!! 
        -<* Gayle 
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Category 13,  Topic 6 
Message 8         Tue May 05, 1987 
DEB [*SysOp*]                at 06:10 EDT 
  
When and exactly what are you seeing...?! 
      *deb!* 
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Category 13,  Topic 6 
Message 9         Sun May 17, 1987 
D.KLEAR                      at 00:53 EDT 
  
I   don't want to rush anybody :) but somebody was going to come back with the 
adress of Dennis larsen  Author of P/Term4  that was a couple weeks ago.  
Thanks  !Me! 
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Category 13,  Topic 6 
Message 10        Tue May 19, 1987 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      at 23:56 EDT 
  
Here 'ya go: 
     Dennis Larson 
     2670 Scotland Court #311 
     New Brighton, MN   55112 
He can also be reached online at CIS and PLINK. 
                * J-M * 
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Category 13,  Topic 6 
Message 11        Wed May 20, 1987 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 03:09 EDT 
  
Thank you JM!  Where have you BEEN!? 
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Category 13,  Topic 6 
Message 12        Sat May 23, 1987 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      at 00:08 EDT 
  
A long and, I'm afraid, boring story. I see the section gets along quite well 
without me, though, thanks to you, Michael, and now David (D-C-A).  As soon as 
the last person in that list gets his XMODEM capability, the section should 
really flower. 
I am now concentrating my time on a new job, working with psychiatrically dis- 
abled persons. 
By the way, I found a source of great P.D. programs for the C64 to drive 
adaptive equipment for the handicapped, and was going to post the details to a 
thread I thought was up in Sec. 4, but I've lost it!  Let me know if you want 
the info posted somewhere. 
                  J-M 
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Category 13,  Topic 6 
Message 13        Sat May 23, 1987 
DEB [*SysOp*]                at 00:23 EDT 
  
John-Mark:  I just archived the thread and deleted it <two nights ago!>. Start 
a new thread with info or upload the programs/files/information into the 
software library, whichever applies, Ok? 
  *deb!* P.S. Welcome back and congrats on your new job. 
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Topic 7         Tue Dec 30, 1986 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      at 19:18 EST 
Sub: Up/Downloading and Buffer Capturing     
A place to discuss the peculiarities and/or problems with up/downloading and 
capturing to buffer with the Plus/4. 
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Category 13,  Topic 7 
Message 1         Tue Dec 30, 1986 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      at 19:25 EST 
  
Since I have uploaded a majority of the early files in our "Port" Library 
section, I think I should explain a little about my files there. I have 
uploaded most BASIC programs in two forms.  The first, uploaded by XMODEM as a 
PRG file, can only be accessed by those of you who have Dennis Larson's PTERM 
program, the only XMODEM capable term program for the Plus/4.  Several of us 
are working on getting an XMODEM P.D. terminal program operational... keep 
your fingers crossed and look for it here FIRST! In the meantime, I am also 
uploading a second version of BASIC programs with a suffix of ".LST" in the 
filenames.  These can be accessed by buffer capture in spite of the fact that 
I am using XMODEM to upload them (due to problems I encountered with dropped 
characters when using straight ASCII uploads).  To "download" these files, 
just do the following: 1. From the Library Menu select Download and specify 
the File Number or Name. 2. After the description, specify "L" for LIST. 3. 
Open your capture buffer (on Higgyterm, press <Commodore>-B) and press 
<Return>.  You will see the listing on your screen, and your buffer counter 
will decrement. 4. GEnie will prompt you that the download is complete.  Close 
your Buffer.  (On Higgy, another <Commodore>-B). I would strongly recommend 
saving to disk immediately!  On Higgyterm, just hit the Run/Stop key to get to 
the main menu and follow the prompts for a buffer disk save.  Clear your 
buffer and you're ready to do it again. What you will have is a SEQ file... 
not loadable or runnable.  There is a file in the library called SEQCON +/4 
which will make the conversion to a PRG file, and the instructions are all in 
REM statements, but a few comments here are appropriate. First, since GEnie 
defines "text" as seven-bit characters, special print commands, like cursor 
keys, etc., do not translate so I have had to change these references to 
CHR$(x) equivalents.  In some cases (notably in the DISK LABEL program) the 
only way to fit all that onto the line is by using abbreviations.  Some non- 
abbreviated lines slipped by me, and will cause SEQCON to abort with a "LINE 
TOO LONG ERROR" message.  If this happens, simply cursor up to the line, erase 
the word "PRINT" and substitute "?" etc. until the line is short enough to be 
accepted.  Hit return to enter it.  Then type "POKE 151,1:GOTO6" and press 
<RETURN>.  The program should continue from where you left off. Also, when 
SEQCON reaches the end of the file, it will usually abort by trying to enter 
the "READY" prompt at the end of the listing.  This yields the familiar "OUT 
OF DATA ERROR" message.  You should type "CLOSE 2 <RETURN>" then "DELETE -9 
<RETURN>, and what you have in memory is the program.  Save it normally, and 
you are done. However, if the uploader over-zealously deleted the READY prompt 
in his/her listing, SEQCON will read past the end of the file and you will 
start to see an endless progression of vertical lines.  PRESS THE "STOP" KEY 
IMMEDIATELY, cursor up to the last line, use an <ESCAPE>-Q to delete the 
vertical lines and press <RETURN> to enter the last line of the program.  Then 
delete and save as above. It all may seem complicated, but I'm sure you'll 
find it easy after the first or second program you download.  I have tested 
all the programs both before and after uploading them, so if your program 
won't fly after downloading, it was probably corrupted by a dropped character 
or garbled character.  If it quits with a "SYNTAX ERROR" note the line number 
and drop me an E-Mail letter with that info, and I'll reply with the undefiled 
version of that line, so you can type in a correction. I'm not a SysOp, but I 
am very interested in the Plus/4 and I answer my mail... so if you have any 
questions or problems, post them here or drop me E-mail, and I will be happy 
to help. This message is so long, I'll quit here and start a new message to 
quickly discuss uploading for those of you with generous spirits. 
                  JOHN-MARK 
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Category 13,  Topic 7 
Message 2         Tue Dec 30, 1986 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      at 19:30 EST 
  
The message I want to get across is PLEASE UPLOAD!  If you have a P.D. program 
that you don't see here, or if you've written one, please share it. If you 
have XMODEM it's easy enough... just follow the prompts on your TERM program 
and the Library section's screens.  If you're still using HiggyTerm, don't be 
scared away by the potential problems of PET/ASCII translation and GEnie's 
expectation of XMODEM transfers.  The ways around these problems are fairly 
simple, though a bit tedious. The first step is to remove the cursor keys, 
etc., from the program that GEnie will not recognize.  If I see a cursor-down, 
I usually delete it and substitute an extra PRINT stataement instead.  For all 
other special keys (RVS, FLASH, etc.) I delete them and add the CHR$(xx) 
equivalent from the table you will find on P. 196 of the PLUS/4 USERS MANUAL.  
After making these changes, save your altered version, and then RUN it to make 
sure your alterations are all correct (one digit difference in a CHR$(xx) can 
really change things! If it checks out, the rest is a piece of cake... just 
print your file to disk.  How, you may ask?  Easy: 
  1.  Type: OPEN 2,8,2,"filename,s,w":CMD2 <return> 
  2.  Type: LIST <return> 
  3.  Type: PRINT#2, CLOSE2 You now have a sequential file containing the 
program listing.  Only one problem, it's in PETSCII not ASCII.  If you have a 
PET/ASCII conversion utility, use it.  If not, don't worry, all that will 
happen is it will appear on GEnie in all caps or with caps and lowers 
reversed.  Tiggy and I will breathe a deep sigh, and fix it! Next, all you 
have to do is load HiggyTerm, logon to GEnie and move to the library.  When 
you follow all the prompts for upload, after typing in the description and 
keywords, you should specify 7-bit text.  When you see the words "READY FOR 
INPUT" hit your stop key, and select "send disk file" from Higgy's main menu.  
When the transfer is complete, hit control-X, and that signals GEnie that 
you're done. I will be monitoring all uploads to the Plus/4 Port of Call, so 
if your upload needs fixing, I will do it.  It may mean writing you E-mail to 
find out what a garbled line should really look like, but I think that is 
managable. Please feel free to E-mail me any Plus/4 questions.  I am not a 
SysOp, but I have had my Plus/4 for years, love it, and have a real feel for 
the machine.  If you have a problem, I've probably gone through it since I was 
computer-ignorant when I got my Plus/4 and learned what I know the hard way. 
Please consider uploading... if we all do, this section can be a real resource 
to all of us.  It is the way we can make up for the fact that CBM never gave 
support for this machine. 
WHOOPS!  To access Higgy's main menu, you need to press SHIFT and the RUN/STOP 
key together... it's been a while since I used it! 
                   JOHN-MARK 
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Category 13,  Topic 7 
Message 3         Tue Dec 30, 1986 
DEB [*SysOp*]                at 20:06 EST 
  
Actually...waaay back when, before we had protocol uploading/downloading on 
the 64, this is the way we used to transfer things, too!  There ARE utilitites 
which will go in and turn those quoted cursor movements into CHR$'s!  The same 
with an ASCII --> Petscii.  Heaven only KNOWS what may have become of some of 
these, tho. 
    *deb!* 
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Category 13,  Topic 7 
Message 4         Wed Dec 31, 1986 
J.GILHOUSEN [JOHN-MARK]      at 01:37 EST 
  
Good point, Deb.  I'll check with the local UG and a couple of BBS SysOps I 
know and see if I can dig up a couple of those "whiskered" C64 programs... 
might be worth adapting to Plus/4 until we get an XMODEM breakthrough. 
                   J-M 
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Topic 8         Sun Jul 26, 1987 
PORKCHOP                     (Forwarded)  
Sub: +4 software library                     
Can't seem to locate how to find +4 library 
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Category 13,  Topic 8 
Message 1         Sun Jul 26, 1987 
PORKCHOP                     (Forwarded)  
  
How do you find the +4 software library 
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Category 13,  Topic 8 
Message 2         Sun Jul 26, 1987 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           (Forwarded)  
  
Porkchop, 
On page 626, select "SET LIBRARY", and then select Library #33!! That is our 
+4 library!  A shortcut is : M627 33 That moves you directly and sets the 
library for you.  You can then download or upload!  Enjoy! 
            -<* Gayle 
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Topic 9         Fri Mar 13, 1987 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 01:56 EST 
Sub: Xmodem+4 - NOW Online!                  
NOW appearing in our Software Library, Mike Zuckerman's Public Domain +4 
XMODEM Terminal Program! Read here for details, questions and so forth! 
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Category 13,  Topic 9 
Message 1         Fri Mar 13, 1987 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 02:03 EST 
  
  --------- XMODEM +4 --------- 
   By: Lt. Col. Mike Zuckerman 
  Finally, an Xmodem terminal program for the Plus/4!  Mike was kind enough  
to release this terminal program into the public domain through GEnie's  
*FlagShip* Commodore Roundtable, and did so in a form which would make it  
easy for others to append these files to other programs.  As is, this is a  
very basic system, but with unlimited possibilities for inclusion in  
HiggyTerm for instance. 
  You can find the 5 part program <plus the entire documenation file> in 
Library #28, but you must have Xmodem to download it. <This works if you have 
another machine to use!> The files are # 3596-3601. 
  If you do not have the means to download this program, I will put it on a 
disk for you if you send me one...etc. See my address in the OLD CLUB 
BULLETINS, on Page 625, or drop a line via Email to TIGLON.G 
  When you use another machine to download the files, you may have to strip 
the padding from the 4 ML files. You will find an auto-pad stripper for the 64 
in the Library.  
Thanks to Michael Mantino for getting the program from Mike Zuckerman! Any 
problems can go directy to Mike at West Point, or we can hash them out here! 
Keep on Plus'ing! 
  -<* Gayle 
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Category 13,  Topic 9 
Message 2         Sat Jun 13, 1987 
TIGLON.G [*SysOp*]           at 19:06 EDT 
  
Mike Zuckerman has released his update to Xmoterm +4! It is now in Library 28, 
ready for downloading!  Be sure to see file 4290 first!!  Enjoy! 
         -<* Gayle 
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Topic 10        Sat Aug 29, 1987 
D.KLEAR [Brer Rabbit]        at 22:57 EDT 
Sub: +4 video                                
just got a bad chip or somethin in the vid need help 
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Category 13,  Topic 10 
Message 1         Sat Aug 29, 1987 
D.KLEAR [Brer Rabbit]        at 22:59 EDT 
  
    Well I has done gone an stuck my hand in dat tar baby again. Seems my +4 
has got black and white and 14 shades of gray. Now who gonna tell Brer Rabbit  
whats wrong so he can get outta dis mes      PPPllleeeaaassee don't leave me 
in da briar patch0 
                                            OoO  Brer Rabbit 
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Category 13,  Topic 10 
Message 2         Sun Aug 30, 1987 
DEB                          at 16:43 EDT 
  
Black and white...sounds much more like a bad cable, Mr. Rabbit...! 
Try another cable, or perhaps your Chroma/Luma is mixed up?!  Have you 
plugged/unplugged your cables lately?! 
Start with the SIMPLE/CHEAP things first, here...<grin> 
   *deb!* 
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Category 13,  Topic 10 
Message 3         Sat Sep 12, 1987 
D.KLEAR [Brer Rabbit]        at 00:08 EDT 
  
Well I'z checked them cables and youz rite.  But I thinks that old fox has got 
sumpin to do wif it cauz I ben using the white lead for 6 months now  all of a 
sudden da color iz comin out da red lead.  Howz zat happen 
                                               OoO Brer RAbbitG*h 
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Topic 11        Sun Oct 18, 1987 
L.MCCLURE                    at 18:59 CDT 
Sub: Plus/4 Technical Information?           
After buying the Plus/4 PRG, I was disappointed to see no pinouts of any of 
the connectors, or other technical info was supplied. Does anyone know where I 
can get the information I need without having to pay another $20+?  
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Category 13,  Topic 11 
Message 1         Sun Oct 18, 1987 
L.MCCLURE                    at 19:00 CDT 
  
I know there is a technical manual available for the Plus/4, but having been 
'burned' once, I am a wee bit leery.  How good is it, and can I get the port 
pinouts without going to such expense? b-back, LEM 
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Category 13,  Topic 11 
Message 2         Mon Oct 26, 1987 
DEB                          at 03:30 EST 
  
LEM:   did you read over the messages in topics 2 and 3 here?!  Both PLUG and 
Tri Micro are excellent Plus/4 Resources, and the listing and descriptions of 
the books provided in topic 2 should really help you. 
   *deb!* 
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Topic 12        Sun Feb 07, 1988 
J.MALLEY                     at 23:35 CST 
Sub:   Looking for +4 bbs software           
     I'm looking for a bbs program for the +4. 
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Category 13,  Topic 12 
Message 1         Sun Feb 07, 1988 
J.MALLEY                     at 23:36 CST 
  
A friend of mine is looking for a bbs program for the +4 he was just given.  
Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks! 
    John 
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Category 13,  Topic 12 
Message 2         Tue Feb 09, 1988 
D.SCHMOLDT [Dave/SysOp]      at 00:21 EST 
  
John, 
  As far as I know, there is no BBS software for the +4. 
  Is this the John Malley from the Fox Valley user Group in Chicago? 
  Dave 
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Category 13,  Topic 12 
Message 3         Tue Feb 09, 1988 
DEB [*SysOp*]                at 17:26 EST 
  
J.Malley: 
You might check with the PLUG people in Monterey (Their address is listed in 
the topic here in this Plus 4 area about user groups/information).  They keep 
a pretty complete Plus +/4 Library ! 
   *deb!* 
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Topic 13        Fri Apr 01, 1988 
DON.ROM                      at 00:52 EST 
Sub: C-16 PowerPack Lost                     
Hey, 
  I need to know what kind of power pack a C-16 uses.  Or rather the guy who 
bought mine does... 
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Category 13,  Topic 13 
Message 1         Sun Apr 10, 1988 
DON.ROM                      at 00:35 EDT 
  
Hey, 
   Aren't there any Plus/4 users out there??!!  The Plus/4 and C-16  
powerpacks are the same.  I just need to know if its 9volts AC or DC.. 
   Pretty please??! 
Yours In Commodore Computing.. Don Rom 
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Category 13,  Topic 13 
Message 2         Fri Apr 22, 1988 
L.MCCLURE                    at 23:41 CDT 
  
I have a Plus/4 and I can tell you the powerpack for it and a C-16 are NOT the 
same. (The Plus/4 supply is the same type as a 64, but with a different plug 
on the computer end). 
Check your local Radio Shack. They had actually bought up a lot of surplus C- 
16 power suppplies. (They are 9VAC, by the way, 1 amp output if I recall 
correctly). 
Also, Lolir Electronics in COMPUTER SHOPPER sells them. the item # from them 
is #4125-233, price is $3.95 (plus shipping...minimum of $4). If your local 
Shacks don't have one of the surplus C-16 supplies (they probably won't know 
what it is...just look where they keep the TI modulators and other special 
buys), then call Lolir at 214-416-5155 to order the supply. 
b-back, LEM 
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Topic 14        Fri Aug 26, 1988 
C.BALL1                      at 06:46 EDT 
Sub: character sets                          
How does one use a user-defined character set on the Plus/4? 
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Category 13,  Topic 14 
Message 1         Fri Aug 26, 1988 
C.BALL1                      at 06:52 EDT 
  
Hey, gang, 
  I'm strictly a 64 user myself, but a friend of mine has a +/4 (got it at 
Sears for like $30 (!)), and we're trying to figure out how, if it is possible 
at all, to use  standard C64 character sets with the +/4.  It would seem that 
the load address would *definitely* need to be changed, which is no big deal, 
but where *should* chrsets be loaded? 
  Also, what then?  Any information would be a big help. 
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Category 13,  Topic 14 
Message 2         Fri Aug 26, 1988 
DEB [*SysOp*]                at 14:14 EDT 
  
C.Ball1:  I suggest you obtain one of the excellent printed reference 
materials about the Plus/4 mentioned in another topic here.  I don't have a 
Plus/4, but the support groups and the reference books have information in 
them. 
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Category 13,  Topic 14 
Message 3         Sat Aug 27, 1988 
C.BALL1                      at 07:42 EDT 
  
Howdy, Deb, 
  and thanks...i have indeed placed an order for reference materials on the 
beast (though it seems, from the majority of the messages, that the term 
"excellent" doesn't always apply). 
  I was hoping someone might have some more immediately usable information... 
granted, that's a lot to ask in the  case of Plus/4s. 
                   take care, 
                   Charlie 
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