========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 01:24:18 EDT Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Denny Springle Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment CO> Can we get this guy outta here? What the hell is he smoking? What's CO>next, pipeline access to the internet? No way, I've already played with CO>internet for the commodore 64&128 you're not going to achieve 28.8. CO> We can use the internet however via LYNX web-browsing. Your commodore CO>will have to be in 80 column ANSI terminal to use it. This can be done CO>with a program called NOVATERM 9.3 or 9.5. and your prices are way too CO>low! It is true, the Commodore 64 is incapable of true 28.8, however there is a way... there is always a way... simply because you did not find the way doesn't mean it is not possible. And I am not talking about "playing" with the internet here, I am talking about the real deal, friend. I am, as well, not speaking of "using" the internet to go site-seeing on the web either, I'm talking about a fully functional BBS capable of TCP/IP packeting. And if you did your homework, you'd know that as long as your machine, be it a Commodore or PC or Atari or Texas Intruments, can emulate and decifer TCP/IP then it can utilize (with additional programming) telnet, FTP, Rlogin, or whatever utilities utilize the TCP/IP protocols. But, what am I telling you for? You've played with the internet... Oh, and thank you for repeating to me the same thing I asked (nicely I might add) not to have to hear from everyone. Must everyone argue? I came to this list for a number of reasons... as I have come here before in the past... everytime it is the same story... everyone thinks that it's all been done on the Commodore... that aside from CommNet, a rag-tag network of odd-ball BBS systems there can be no other way to communicate or keep up with changing technology. Did you know, friend, that they are considering moving back down to 4 bit microprocessors and 8 bit microprocessors for internet "stations" because they are faster and better at handling TCP/IP than the 16 and 32 bit microprocessors? Did you know that? The Commodore is unique in that it has not merely one programmable device inside it's pretty little box, but several. Including the CIA's which can be fooled with rather old routines now into running at speeds up to 4800 bps through the serial port, or up to 9600 bps through the user port, so what seems to be the difficulty in getting that up to 28.8? Let's simplify this even a little more... how about we add in an easily obtainable piece of hardware in series with these routines? Hmmm? Throw in a buffer to catch the overflow and et voila! Haha... but you knew that... Of course, perhaps if you folks shut your fingers off for a second and opened your mind to the possibilities of what I am talking about here, you would understand. But you'd much rather pass judgementsa against me based only on a single message to which included absolutely no technical information whatsoever? Forget it... I'm not even going to bother with you wastes any longer... You want to talk to me about my ideas, you e-mail me, otherwise just hang on to your beliefs and I'll simply blow them away when the finished product hits the table ok? Until then, enjoy your decomposition. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 01:25:24 EDT Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Denny Springle Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment CO>> Can we get this guy outta here? What the hell is he smoking? What's CO>> next, pipeline access to the internet? No way, I've already played with CO>> internet for the commodore 64&128 you're not going to achieve 28.8. CO> Hmm, where do we get these people.. hehe CO> Apparently, your not using the right hardware/software combination. CO>Are you using ACEterm with an REU and a Swiftlink? I can achieve 28.8 CO>quite nicely thank you. I beleive Craig Bruce is doing 115.2K baud with CO>his combination. Given the right software/hardware combination 28.8 is a CO>simple connection for the 64 or 128. CO>> We can use the internet however via LYNX web-browsing. Your commodore CO>> will have to be in 80 column ANSI terminal to use it. This can be done CO>> with a program called NOVATERM 9.3 or 9.5. and your prices are way too CO>> low! CO> Try ACEterm, you'll be amazed. Almost forgot, you need a shell CO>account. :) Thank you... whoever you are... at least somebody knows what I am talking about! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 06:50:37 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Ben Hanson Subject: Re: Thought you should see this SCSI controllers come built in to all Macs since the SE, at least. Ben ************************************************************************ bhanson-mtc@rica.net Massanutten Technical Center 325 Pleasant Valley Road Harrisonburg VA 22801 (540) 434-5961 Providing Vocational, Technical, and Academic Education for life ************************************************************************ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:49:19 -0600 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: "Tom A. Gislason" Organization: Calgary Free-Net Subject: Re: Here's some food for thought: In-Reply-To: <199606200102.VAA18572@portal.dx.net> On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Denny Springle wrote: > Ouch! But what a way to go eh? > And a heck of a head rush too........better than drugs! Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS (403)734-2382 (403)934-4756 Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #10 Internet address: gislason@freenet.calgary.ab.ca FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:06:12 -0600 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: "Tom A. Gislason" Organization: Calgary Free-Net Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment In-Reply-To: <199606200402.AAA02164@mail1.infinet.com> On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Michael Bendure wrote: > Well considering that C-Net 64, C-Net 128 and Image were the most > popular, sold more copies and has the largest support groups of any other > Commodore 64 or 128 BBS systems, I wouldn't call that rag-tag. Also > considering that CommNet is more than just a bunch of hacked mods > connecting a BBS systems. Its an actual reallife attempt to create a > standard between different BBS platforms run on the Commodore 64 and 128 > BBS's. We all use the same connection and packet structure based on the > Hub/Node or Server/Client type setup. And as a further aside to this; CommNet may yet truely become international (other than just Canada and the US), as there are a couple of programmers who are working on a system for CommNet to be beamed around the world, at almost no cost to the sysop (other than the extra file paket sizes from heaven only knows how many more boards that may join up). Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS (403)734-2382 (403)934-4756 Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #10 Internet address: gislason@freenet.calgary.ab.ca FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:18:43 -0600 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: "Tom A. Gislason" Organization: Calgary Free-Net Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment In-Reply-To: <199606210628.CAA09300@portal.dx.net> Denny, You are so far behind that you do not know what you are talking about. Right now!!!!!!!there is a program called The Wave (out in demo right now) that can access the net via ICP and view all the fancy images on the Internet. However, most of us who use the Commodore 64/128 are there for one purpose.............TEXT......... We are trying to keep the *old* machines alive. The Wave operates under the GEOS OS and from what I hear, it is good. I fully expect you will be hearing from Rod Gasson about this little triade of your. Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS (403)734-2382 (403)934-4756 Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #92 Internet address: gislason@freenet.calgary.ab.ca FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:45:54 -0400 Reply-To: Gaelyne Moranec Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Gaelyne Moranec Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment X-cc: Maurice Randall , Rod Gasson In-Reply-To: On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Tom A. Gislason wrote: Tom, I'm sorry but I have to correct you on a few things here even though I sympathise with your frustration at having our computers insulted. > Denny, > You are so far behind that you do not know what you are talking > about. Right now!!!!!!!there is a program called The Wave (out in demo > right now) that can access the net via ICP and view all the fancy images > on the Internet. 1) The Wave so far uses normal connects to ISP's - nothing fancy. 2) The Demo version of the Wave does not view graphics. > However, most of us who use the Commodore 64/128 are > there for one purpose.............TEXT......... We are trying to keep the > *old* machines alive. No argument there. > The Wave operates under the GEOS OS and from what I hear, it is > good. It is. For GEOS to acheive high speed BPS, it's excellent, but the demo is basically a limited term program. That's not an insult to the program or programmer, as we all have high expectations for the full commercial version. > I fully expect you will be hearing from Rod Gasson about this > little triade of your. Doubtful. Rod Gasson doesn't receive this mail list. If something interesting comes up, I send him a forward of the mail. The author of The Wave is Maurice Randall (Arca93.delphi.com). Second, Rod Gasson has nothing to do with The Wave. He is my defacto husband, and is the author of QWKRR128, an offline mail reader for QWK format mail. He is also the author of a 128 program called "Browser" which is *NOT* an Internet utility. It's a program that allows you to browse disk directories and read/view/print a variety of different formats including Fidonet PKT, QWK packets, ASCII, ANSI, Petscii, and BASIC (with tokens colourised). Rod did see some of the argument exchanged and his only comment was that it is an old argument seen many times. (With a frown behind it). I'd expand on that comment, in that there will always be those who will buy low when it comes to Commodore equipment and try to make a profit on it. I think his prices are low, but that's his business. However. I DO object (strongly) to the way Commodore users have been insulted and the condescending attitude shown to other posters. There are a lot of "newer" Commodore Internet users on this mailing list and while I'm sure many will have to deal with the attitudes of others, they should not be put down for their choice of computer or access to the Internet. ESPECIALLY in a mailing list set up for Commodore *support*. Personally, with the negative remarks made in public about Commodore computers AND *especially* Commodore USERS as a whole, I'd think twice about purchasing any product from a company that holds such a low regard for their customers. This is not a flame. It is opinion only. Gaelyne //\ /\\ Gaelyne R. Moranec (Gasson) Fidonet: || * \ . . / * || 90 Hilliers Rd 1:366/221.128 \\____\X/____// Reynella, S.A. 5161 3:800/809.128 / * /O\ * \ Australia \__/ " \__/ Gaelyne@cris.com / moranec@hal9000.net.au http://people.delphi.com/gaelyne QWKRR: http://people.delphi.com/qtoc.html -> Speaking only for myself and not for any employers or publications. <- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:23:40 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Doug Cotton Subject: Re: Thought you should see this >SCSI controllers come built in to all Macs since the SE, at least. Yes they do, but you can buy PCI SCSI controllers for PCI Macs, so that's what I used to serve as a reference. The point was that the CMD HD isn't just a drive mech, and comparing it price-wise to such was a bogus comparison. Doug Cotton email: doug.cotton@the-spa.com ====================================================================== | Creative Micro Designs, Inc. | Orders: (800) 6383-CMD | | P.O. Box 646 | Support: (413) 525-0023 | | East Longmeadow, MA 01028 | Fax: (413) 525-0147 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Visit our WWW Site at: http://www.the-spa.com/cmd/ | ====================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 22:15:14 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: " " Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment Ok, you say or claim to be able to do the 28.8 thing. Problem is, the fact that that is faster than the processor can handle! Unless you have that prototype accelerator that CMD has been playing with. I Love the Commodore 64 and think that it is a great little machine, but I just dont see it doing web-browsing better than the LYNX server. Ever heard of the expression exceeding the envelope? The modifications required to successfully run 28.8 and possibly graphics for the internet would cost more than an Amiga 500. Which by the way browses nicely. I am sorry but it seems like you are trying to put a 454 big block into a VW bug.... Sure, it's fast as hell for it's kind...for a while, but it spells disaster. CMD accelerator + C=64 = Fried Motherboard. Sorry, but please do not expect too much you will be dissapointed. I am looking for some other Techs beside myself however who are willing to work on this CD-ROM concept I have for the 64 & 128. Anyone interested? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 03:36:23 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Doug Cotton Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment " " recently wrote: > Sure, it's fast as hell for it's kind...for a while, but it > spells disaster. CMD accelerator + C=64 = Fried Motherboard. Sorry, but > please do not expect too much you will be dissapointed. Without regard to what you were actually replying to, can you clue me in on what you're saying here? If I'm reading this right, you seem to be implying that running the new CMD SuperCPU will fry your computer's motherboard... that certainly isn't in any way true. Can you clear this up for me? Doug Cotton email: doug.cotton@the-spa.com ====================================================================== | Creative Micro Designs, Inc. | Orders: (800) 6383-CMD | | P.O. Box 646 | Support: (413) 525-0023 | | East Longmeadow, MA 01028 | Fax: (413) 525-0147 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Visit our WWW Site at: http://www.the-spa.com/cmd/ | ====================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 02:59:53 -0700 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Larry Hollis Subject: Re: Shell accounts In-Reply-To: <34960620201943/0005157132DC3EM@MCIMAIL.COM> > The problem is that accessing the WWW is MUCH faster through CServe > than it is through this ISP. The ISP is nice because I can do > bookmarks, download files, etc (using LYNX) but reaching the same site > through CServe takes 1/3rd of the time that my ISP does. > > What gives? I am using NovaTerm 9.5 with a SwiftLink at 9600. > > What happens on the ISP (for those of you who are familiar with LYNX) > is that the bottom of the screen will say "512 bytes of data received" > and then I will wait for probably 1.5 to 3 minutes and it will not > have changed. This doesn't happen EVERY time but frequently enough to > make it irritating. Other times it "gets" the data successfully, but > much slower than going throug CServe. > A little Net anatomy. When you connect to the Net through an ISP (this includes AOL, Compuserve, etc) and using Lynx, you are connected through their, i.e. the ISP's system. The Lynx software is running on their machine, you computer is just a "dumb" terminal hangging on their system. Thus the message of the number of bytes being received, is not what is coming into your Commie, but what is being reeived by the host, that is the ISP's computer. Any delay is between the host you are hangging onto and the main Lynx server in Lawerence Kansas, if that is the one your ISP is using. From there the connection goes out to the site you are looking at. Since the Net as a whole is undergoing a major case of gridlock these days during peak hours, delays are gong to happen as data packets get held up in one or more "routers" between the host site and your ISP. The speed of your modem is only good for the connection between your Commie and your ISP. From there on it's out of your control. The T-1 or I hope T-3 line that your ISP uses is leased, more often than not from the local telco (phone company). So how fast this line is depends on how many ISPs in your area are conected to it. Also the quality of the line itself matters, not all lines are equal. My service provider (Access Nevada) has three T-3 lines leased from three different companies. They have one computer that watches these lines and switches between the ones with the lowest traffic and best transmission quality. Also depending on how large your ISP is, that is how may incoming lines they have (dial up, and PPP), and the age and quailty of their equipment vs. how many users are on line at one time can make a difference. When my ISP lines are 80% active (60 out of 90 lines) things begin to slow down, as the ISP's six workstations are now doing more work. Yes I said six Sun V workstations. One handles the incoming dial up lines, another is the local BBS, the third is the Internet gateway, the fouth takes care of telnet requests from the Net, the fifth handles our Web pages, and the sixth is the Admin part of the system. Other desk top units take care of various minor activities. If your ISP is running everything through one machine and has only a hand full of lines, things can bog down real quick. If you can, try to access the system in non-peak hours. It's 02:55 am as I types this and a check of people loged on here at Access Nevads shows 28 people on line. In another two hour that number will be cut to half. Best times to call in are Weekdays between 4:00 and 7:00 am and Weekends between 5:00 and 9:00 am. Most people are sleeping during these hours with the exception of us Netheads. Larry r8-{)}}} quagmrie@accessnv.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 09:05:11 -0700 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Larry Hollis Subject: Re: Using the C128 Z80? -Reply In-Reply-To: Hi Steve, Well I did know the TRS-80 was built around the Z80, but did not know it was a Z80A or that there would be any difference in two. This intrests me on an acadenic level. Back in the early '80s I took a couple of intense classes in 6502 architecture & applications given by a Dr. Luxembourg of USC at Fresno, CA. I was in the Navy at the time stationed and the Naval Weapons Center at China Lake, CA and the classes were part of a larger in house training program in digital electronics. Dr. Lux also during the course of these classes turned me on to the joys of programming in FORTH, which I still do. When I got my C=128 (which replaced a C-=64, which replaced a PET 2001, which replaced a KIM-1) I gave some thought about getting deeper into the Z80 as at the time I was well versed on CP/M as the Projects Dept. of Air Test & Evlauation Squadron (where I worked) had several Osburone OM-1s to record test data on while out on one of the ranges. These were Z80 machines. I still have some software from this time, and it runs on my C=128 in CP/M mode. So your comment led me to dig out my copy of the Commodore 128 Programmer's Reference Guide and check the schematics. Sure enough, it shows U10 to be a Z80A. I think what you need here is just to get the 1571 to read the TRS-80 disk format, or find a TRS-80 (I know that's harder than finding a PET 2001) and set up a null modem between the two and pass the TRS-80 software over to the C=128. So the only "emulation" would be in getting the 1571 to read the TRS-80 disks, and I thought that these were in the IBM MFM format. Though you might have to work out the number of tracks/sectors used by the TRS-80. Larry P.S. Keep in touch, as this is an interesting project. r8-{)}}} quagmire@accessnv.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 14:45:10 -0400 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Michael Bendure Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment > Ok, you say or claim to be able to do the 28.8 thing. Problem is, the > fact that that is faster than the processor can handle! So what is your assumption on the limit that the processor can handle? According to Craig Bruce, you can actually handle around 1 Meg a sec. Considering he is doing 115.2kbps with his modified Swiftlink that would blow up his computer by your standards. Funny thing is, his is still working like a champ, no smoke yet.. hehe I find it funny that you people keep relating our processor speed with the transmission speeds. When will they ever learn.. :) > Unless you have that prototype accelerator that CMD has been playing with. Nope, no accelerator. Just a standard 64 or 128, a 512k 1750 REU, a Swiftlink and a Boca 28.8kbps Modem, Craig Bruce's ACEterm program and a shell account to the Internet. > I Love the Commodore 64 and think that it is a great little machine, > but I just dont see it doing web-browsing better than the LYNX server. You mean you want to slow your computer down even more, by displying the fancy graphics? > Ever heard of the expression exceeding the envelope? The modifications > required to successfully run 28.8 and possibly graphics for the internet > would cost more than an Amiga 500. Don't think so. The Swiftlink is only $39.95. Are Amiga 500's cheaper than that now? > Which by the way browses nicely. So does my 64.. hehe > I am sorry but it seems like you are trying to put a 454 big block into a VW > bug.... Sure, it's fast as hell for it's kind...for a while, but it > spells disaster. This is where your sadly mistaken. Since the 64's release we have put up with statements like that from not only PC users, but from Commodore themselves. I can remember when Commodore stated the 64 couldn't go faster than 2400 baud. Well, we've been doing that for what 10 or 11 years now with no hardware modification at all. Nah, it can't do 2400. Your statement about 28.8 is the same deal. With Swiftlink and a good terminal program we can indeed do 28.8kbps with no problems. You need to download ACE 15 and setup the hardware/software configuration I explained above, then tell me it can't be done. Before then, your simply speculating about something you have no clue on. > CMD accelerator + C=64 = Fried Motherboard. Sorry, but > please do not expect too much you will be dissapointed. Again, your speculating upon complete ignorance. > I am looking for some other Techs beside myself however who are > willing to work on this CD-ROM concept I have for the 64 & 128. Anyone > interested? Hmm, you mean like CD-Commander for the 128? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 09:33:38 -0600 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: "Tom A. Gislason" Organization: Calgary Free-Net Subject: Re: Using the C128 Z80? -Reply In-Reply-To: On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Larry Hollis wrote: > So your comment led me to dig out my copy of the Commodore 128 > Programmer's Reference Guide and check the schematics. Sure enough, it > shows U10 to be a Z80A. I think what you need here is just to get the > 1571 to read the TRS-80 disk format, or find a TRS-80 (I know that's > harder than finding a PET 2001) and set up a null modem between the two > and pass the TRS-80 software over to the C=128. So the only "emulation" > would be in getting the 1571 to read the TRS-80 disks, and I thought that > these were in the IBM MFM format. Though you might have to work out the > number of tracks/sectors used by the TRS-80. > > Larry > > P.S. Keep in touch, as this is an interesting project. > > r8-{)}}} > > quagmire@accessnv.com > Okay, there is an upgrade to CP/M v3.0 that allows you to read quite a few different types of MFM disks. Right off the top of my head, I can't think of the program, but I will go looking thru my CP/M programs and see if I can find it. If I remember correctly, the program can be d/l"ed from Oakland......once again, I'm not sure, but i do know that there will probably be another reply to this by someone who has CP/M running next to them. Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS (403)734-2382 (403)934-4756 Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #10 Internet address: gislason@freenet.calgary.ab.ca FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 09:38:10 -0600 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: "Tom A. Gislason" Organization: Calgary Free-Net Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment In-Reply-To: <199606221819.OAA11438@mail1.infinet.com> On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Michael Bendure wrote: > > I am looking for some other Techs beside myself however who are > > willing to work on this CD-ROM concept I have for the 64 & 128. Anyone > > interested? > > Hmm, you mean like CD-Commander for the 128? > Ok Michael, tell me more about the CD-Commander. I haven't heard about this one yet. I would be quite interested in it. Where can I get more information? Tom Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS (403)734-2382 (403)934-4756 Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #10 Internet address: gislason@freenet.calgary.ab.ca FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 10:40:03 -0700 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Michael Weathers Subject: Re: Using the C128 Z80? -Reply In-Reply-To: On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Tom A. Gislason wrote: > On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Larry Hollis wrote: > > > So your comment led me to dig out my copy of the Commodore 128 > > Programmer's Reference Guide and check the schematics. Sure enough, it > > shows U10 to be a Z80A. I think what you need here is just to get the > > 1571 to read the TRS-80 disk format, or find a TRS-80 (I know that's > > harder than finding a PET 2001) and set up a null modem between the two > > and pass the TRS-80 software over to the C=128. So the only "emulation" > > would be in getting the 1571 to read the TRS-80 disks, and I thought that > > these were in the IBM MFM format. Though you might have to work out the > > number of tracks/sectors used by the TRS-80. > > > > Larry > > > > P.S. Keep in touch, as this is an interesting project. > > > > r8-{)}}} > > > > quagmire@accessnv.com > > > Okay, there is an upgrade to CP/M v3.0 that allows you to read > quite a few different types of MFM disks. Right off the top of my head, I > can't think of the program, but I will go looking thru my CP/M programs > and see if I can find it. If I remember correctly, the program can be > d/l"ed from Oakland......once again, I'm not sure, but i do know that > there will probably be another reply to this by someone who has CP/M > running next to them. hi there iam user of cp/m 3.0 also the newer zcpm3.0 there is a prg that i use when iam using different formats its called unidrive.com that will give you ability read different format types check it out. > > Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS (403)734-2382 (403)934-4756 > Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #10 > Internet address: gislason@freenet.calgary.ab.ca > FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0 > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:23:02 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Robert Johnson Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment IN>On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Michael Bendure wrote: IN>> Well considering that C-Net 64, C-Net 128 and Image were the most IN>> popular, sold more copies and has the largest support groups of any other IN>> Commodore 64 or 128 BBS systems, I wouldn't call that rag-tag. Also IN>> considering that CommNet is more than just a bunch of hacked mods IN>> connecting a BBS systems. Its an actual reallife attempt to create a IN>> standard between different BBS platforms run on the Commodore 64 and 128 IN>> BBS's. We all use the same connection and packet structure based on the IN>> Hub/Node or Server/Client type setup. IN> And as a further aside to this; CommNet may yet truely become IN>international (other than just Canada and the US), as there are a couple IN>of programmers who are working on a system for CommNet to be beamed around IN>the world, at almost no cost to the sysop (other than the extra file paket IN>sizes from heaven only knows how many more boards that may join up). Well, first I should apologise for reffering to it as rag-tag. I am sure that it has taken many man hours to complete such a system. However, what I am talking about is having a Commodore 64/128 hooked directly into a 28.8 INET access line (either direct feed or SLIP) with the software (i.e. TCP/IP BBS) to make networking between Commodore C/G BBS systems quick and painless via the Internet itself... a network within a network like so many other networks which utilize the "Internet" as a carrier. In addition to networking within the realm of the software, I would like to include the ability to network with other Commodore and non-Commodore BBS systems. Naturally, we are fighting against the grain here however at the present moment. We are designing our system to include every possible feature we can possibly pack into it. It is not our intention to deuplicate any BBS that has ever been designed for the Commodore before. It's always the same old routine anyways, it's just how you use it that makes the difference! I am not here to compete with anyone either, when the system goes public it will go public into shareware, even though it is meant to blow the pants off everything in current concept that we are aware of. We figure... why dabble with the technolgy... take it to the extreme and push the limits... that's what Commodore used to be all about 10 years ago when I first started to program... small code, neat routines, and as much speed as you can scream out of it while still getting all the features you want... But those days are gone... the days of sitting around with a number of fellow programmers and users and coding just to code are gone for me... I've been to user groups almost everywhere I have lived that there is one close by... they all seem the same... a great game exchange and BBS metting place, but otherwise limited in any kind of serious coding tasks. I've been jaded by the Commodore world... I've watched it virtually disappear from before my eyes... I can't tell you how many "magazines" I've subscribed to in the past few years that never made it through thier first few publications, if any, before taking the money and running... and the one thing that Commodore users need in todays world... TCP/IP access like the rest of the world, is our generations and your generations coding challenge... It's already been done even! Now we need to utilize this information and design a system that will hold up under the changing world... CommNet actually sounds cool and it truly pleases me to see it... I notice no one mentioned anything (up to this post anyway) about DMBBS, or Colors, or C*Base networking support on CommNet? I would not be surprised... I hung with the Maryland crowd for quite some time... I made mention of Inter-networking to several people back then... but they all wanted to reap the frofits and attention their own networks would bring... so despite my attitude problem here lately, I'm really glad to know it was accomplished at least as far as it has been... I would, of course, like to learn more about it from a technical point of view... if I am going to be designing a network anyway, why not make it compatible with the current configuration... don't fix it if it ain't broke (the second thing I learned in programming... the first was 'nothing' is impossible )... Denny S. Accolon@playpen.com Sent Via The Playpen BBS...Washington DC's Premier Online Service ..TELNET: PLAYPEN.COM...MODEM: (703)591-4567 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:28:02 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Robert Johnson Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment IN>Denny, IN> You are so far behind that you do not know what you are talking IN>about. Right now!!!!!!!there is a program called The Wave (out in demo IN>right now) that can access the net via ICP and view all the fancy images IN>on the Internet. However, most of us who use the Commodore 64/128 are IN>there for one purpose.............TEXT......... We are trying to keep the IN>*old* machines alive. IN> The Wave operates under the GEOS OS and from what I hear, it is IN>good. I fully expect you will be hearing from Rod Gasson about this IN>little triade of your. IN>Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS (403)734-2382 (403)934-4756 IN>Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #92 IN>Internet address: gislason@freenet.calgary.ab.ca IN>FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0 Somehow, I just don't think anyone here is getting the point... I don't care how many people have written how many programs to access the web or the internet for surfing... I'm talking about server technology here... not client technlogy (though that's included too!). Show me a BBS that can be accessed directly from the web through telnet, FTP and e-mail and runs up to 28.8 bps on a Commodore 64/128 and I'll shut up and go away... until then... well... you figure it out. Denny S. accolon@playpen.com Sent Via The Playpen BBS...Washington DC's Premier Online Service ..TELNET: PLAYPEN.COM...MODEM: (703)591-4567 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:38:06 EDT Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Gaelyne@CRIS.COM Subject: Re: Shell Accounts To: COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU G'day ---- I rec'd an Email reply from Chris M. from this list about Shell accounts, but I had an email accident and lost it. If you sent me Email and you haven't heard back from me please resend it. There's gotta be a phrase for this phenomenon... I mean, if it were Fidonet we could say the dog ate our Netmail... Cheers, Gaelyne Gaelyne R. Moranec (Gasson) moranec@hal9000.net.au //\ /\\ 90 Hilliers Rd || * \ . . / * || Reynella S.A. 5161 Fido: 1:366/221.128 \\____\X/____// Australia 3:800/809.128 / * /O\ * \ \__/ " \__/ WWW: http://people.delphi.com/gaelyne QWKRR128: http:/people.delphi.com/gaelyne/qtoc.html Speaking for myself and not for any publications or other employers. ___ QWKRR128 V4.51 [R] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:40:06 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Robert Johnson Subject: Re: Thought you should see this IN>>SCSI controllers come built in to all Macs since the SE, at least. IN>Yes they do, but you can buy PCI SCSI controllers for PCI Macs, so that's IN>what I used to serve as a reference. The point was that the CMD HD isn't IN>just a drive mech, and comparing it price-wise to such was a bogus IN>comparison. Doug, You are correct, my comparing the CMD HD to a drive mech alone is a bogus comparison. However, not knowing exactly the technology you are using (I've never had the opportuniyt to rip one of your drive apart yet ), as far as a controller card, I was assuming a low-end deal... I mean, an 8-bit SCSI board can be purchased for about $40 for a nice one... I've seen them cheaper in Computer Shopper for example... Then of course, I suppose figuring in the additional cost of designing a circuit board specific to your applications would create an additional cost... a parralell to serial (vice versa) circuit is obviously in play as well if you have a secondary SCSI port as well... But all in all it is still cheaper for a PC system... exclude the case and power supply and gadgets and goodies... I am, as usual, wrong in my presentation of the facts... Denny S. Sent Via The Playpen BBS...Washington DC's Premier Online Service ..TELNET: PLAYPEN.COM...MODEM: (703)591-4567 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 01:07:12 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Robert Johnson Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment IN> Ok, you say or claim to be able to do the 28.8 thing. Problem is, the IN>fact that that is faster than the processor can handle! Unless you have IN>that prototype accelerator that CMD has been playing with. IN> I Love the Commodore 64 and think that it is a great little machine, IN>but I just dont see it doing web-browsing better than the LYNX server. IN>Ever heard of the expression exceeding the envelope? The modifications IN>required to successfully run 28.8 and possibly graphics for the internet IN>would cost more than an Amiga 500. Which by the way browses nicely. I am IN>sorry but it seems like you are trying to put a 454 big block into a VW IN>bug.... Sure, it's fast as hell for it's kind...for a while, but it IN>spells disaster. CMD accelerator + C=64 = Fried Motherboard. Sorry, but IN>please do not expect too much you will be dissapointed. IN> I am looking for some other Techs beside myself however who are IN>willing to work on this CD-ROM concept I have for the 64 & 128. Anyone IN>interested Yes, I claim to be able to have a BBS that will connect to a 28.8 feed from the internet. As far as the processor... that what they made the buffers for my friend . Sent Via The Playpen BBS...Washington DC's Premier Online Service ..TELNET: PLAYPEN.COM...MODEM: (703)591-4567 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:32:21 -0400 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: STEVE MELLO Subject: Need help with C128 composite cable... Hello, I asked this question before, but I don't think I asked it correctly, so here it goes again..... :) I have a C128 with a color monitor by a company called BMC. On the back it has two connections for the RCA type jacks, Audio and Video. I have a cable the connects to the DIN plug on the back of the 128, but the pins are not connected properly. I know which pins on the C128 do what, but I don't know which pins connect to which RCA plug on the other end. I am assuming that each RCA jack has two wires coming from it, is this correct? One for the center pin, and one for the outer ring? I know that the 128 only uses four of these DIN pins for video/audio output. What I need to know is which wires from the RCA jack connect to which DIN pin on the back of the 128? Do the video and sync/lum connect on the two video RCA jack wires (if so, which one in or outer connects to which one on the other end)? Does the audio and ground connect for the other? I hope this hasn't been too confusing. I know what I am thinking in my mind, but it's hard to get it to words. Thanks, Steve ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:46:23 -0400 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Michael Bendure Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment > Ok Michael, tell me more about the CD-Commander. I haven't heard > about this one yet. I would be quite interested in it. Where can I get > more information? To tell you the truth, I haven't heard much about it either. I saw the write up in Commodore World about it, but that was it. Some folks in the IRC channel #c-64 was also talking about it once. I never did get any real details on it other than its suppose to hook to a CMD HD and allow access to CD-ROM drives.. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:04:38 -0400 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Michael Bendure Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment > Well, first I should apologise for reffering to it as rag-tag. I am > sure that it has taken many man hours to complete such a system. Try more like many years. DS2 Network, from which CommNet took the packet structure and connection procedure, itself took 4 years to develop the way it is today and even now we are continuing to develop it beyond what it was meant to do. The whole CommNet idea began with the fourth release of DS2 Network when I began to contact other BBS sysops with the idea. I got ahold of the authors of the current releases of C-Net 128, C-Net Amiga, Image, Omni 128, Color 64, C*Base 64, DMBBS, Color V128 and Supra 128. No one was interested or had the time to devote to such a project. Three years and a 1000 phone calls later, I finally found Image and C-Net 128 Sysops who were interested and we made it work. I also worked with Eric Hodges, who was doing DMBBS's network, Fred Ogle of Color 64 and Jerome Yoner of C*Base to include them in CommNet. Eric dropped out of DMBBS, Fred Ogle dropped Color 64 and Jerome Yoner sold C*Base 64 to someone else. Brian Bell from Omni won't even answer my feedback or Netmail on the subject. So until I find programmers on each of these platforms, interested in the CommNet idea, I can't very well include them and I simply don't have the time to learn the details of each BBS program out there to do all the work myself. C*Base 64 is suppose to already have all the mods for CommNet, as Jerome did write it before he sold it to someone else. Color V128 also has most of the conversions done before they backed out of CommNet for some reason. > However, what I am talking about is having a Commodore 64/128 hooked > directly into a 28.8 INET access line (either direct feed or SLIP) with > the software (i.e. TCP/IP BBS) to make networking between Commodore C/G > BBS systems quick and painless via the Internet itself... a network > within a network like so many other networks which utilize the > "Internet" as a carrier. In addition to networking within the realm of > the software, I would like to include the ability to network with other > Commodore and non-Commodore BBS systems. Naturally, we are fighting > against the grain here however at the present moment. Your idea does indeed sound promising, but without a Super64 CPU, you may end up with a dog of a system. This is not a flame, just reality. I guess you could do something similar to what Craig Bruce did with ACEterm, using the REU. This may work half way decent. I won't make the same mistake you did though and judge your software before I see it. Good luck and take care. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:51:32 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Doug Cotton Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment >> Ok Michael, tell me more about the CD-Commander. I haven't >heard >> about this one yet. I would be quite interested in it. Where can I get >> more information? > > To tell you the truth, I haven't heard much about it either. I saw the >write up in Commodore World about it, but that was it. Some folks in the >IRC channel #c-64 was also talking about it once. I never did get any >real details on it other than its suppose to hook to a CMD HD and allow >access to CD-ROM drives.. Consider it as Big Blue Reader for CD-ROM's, and you'll have a fairly accurate picture of what it's all about. Doug Cotton email: doug.cotton@the-spa.com ====================================================================== | Creative Micro Designs, Inc. | Orders: (800) 6383-CMD | | P.O. Box 646 | Support: (413) 525-0023 | | East Longmeadow, MA 01028 | Fax: (413) 525-0147 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Visit our WWW Site at: http://www.the-spa.com/cmd/ | ====================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:26:00 EST Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Christopher McLeod Subject: CD-ROM "Consider it as Big Blue Reader for CD-ROM's, and you'll have a fairly accurate picture of what it's all about." Does this mean that it only reads ASCII? Chris McLeod ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:18:26 EDT Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Denny Springle Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment CO>> Well, first I should apologise for reffering to it as rag-tag. I am CO>> sure that it has taken many man hours to complete such a system. CO> Try more like many years. DS2 Network, from which CommNet took the CO>packet structure and connection procedure, itself took 4 years to develop CO>the way it is today and even now we are continuing to develop it beyond CO>what it was meant to do. The whole CommNet idea began with the fourth CO>release of DS2 Network when I began to contact other BBS sysops with the CO>idea. I got ahold of the authors of the current releases of C-Net 128, CO>C-Net Amiga, Image, Omni 128, Color 64, C*Base 64, DMBBS, Color V128 and CO>Supra 128. No one was interested or had the time to devote to such a CO>project. Three years and a 1000 phone calls later, I finally found Image CO>and C-Net 128 Sysops who were interested and we made it work. I also CO>worked with Eric Hodges, who was doing DMBBS's network, Fred Ogle of Color CO>64 and Jerome Yoner of C*Base to include them in CommNet. Eric dropped CO>out of DMBBS, Fred Ogle dropped Color 64 and Jerome Yoner sold C*Base 64 CO>to someone else. Brian Bell from Omni won't even answer my feedback or CO>Netmail on the subject. CO> So until I find programmers on each of these platforms, interested in CO>the CommNet idea, I can't very well include them and I simply don't have CO>the time to learn the details of each BBS program out there to do all the CO>work myself. C*Base 64 is suppose to already have all the mods for CO>CommNet, as Jerome did write it before he sold it to someone else. Color CO>V128 also has most of the conversions done before they backed out of CO>CommNet for some reason. CO>> However, what I am talking about is having a Commodore 64/128 hooked CO>> directly into a 28.8 INET access line (either direct feed or SLIP) with CO>> the software (i.e. TCP/IP BBS) to make networking between Commodore C/G CO>> BBS systems quick and painless via the Internet itself... a network CO>> within a network like so many other networks which utilize the CO>> "Internet" as a carrier. In addition to networking within the realm of CO>> the software, I would like to include the ability to network with other CO>> Commodore and non-Commodore BBS systems. Naturally, we are fighting CO>> against the grain here however at the present moment. CO> Your idea does indeed sound promising, but without a Super64 CPU, you CO>may end up with a dog of a system. This is not a flame, just reality. I CO>guess you could do something similar to what Craig Bruce did with ACEterm, CO>using the REU. This may work half way decent. I won't make the same CO>mistake you did though and judge your software before I see it. CO>Good luck and take care. I found the same problem you encountered years ago myself many times in many things to do with the Commodore community. Gunther, when he owned C*Base wouldn't even consider half of the suggestions made to him by SysOps running his software... Fred's a cool guy... but he had his own priorities, and internetworking was never one of them... Depeche Mode would likely have gotten into it, unfortunately he sold DMBBS to someone who released version 5 as version 6 with his own name on it... Not much to speak of there for interest in anything but the money DMBBS would generate as it was. So, I know the feeling... I myself have been working on this particular system ALL by myself until recently when I have found a few programmers (mostly out of the US) who have as much interest in the development of the system... I've already got three years into the programming of this system and it's not even close to being done yet! As for utilizing the Super64 cpu, in reality I know there is no real need for this for the system, though it's use would I'm sure make the system more efficient. But this itself remains to be seen... I am not excluding anything so far as being utilizable by the system, with perhaps the exception of BBB's which have limited abilities in light of other REU's, but I may yet even find a useful way to use them too :) What's more... the true excitement of the system will be it's open architechture... designing MODS for the system will be cake to an experienced programmer, and availability of many different system configurations allows the system to be as compatible as possible with all systems. Besides that, the system is being designed with minimum requirements: 2mb REU/RAMLink (4mb reccomended), SwiftLink w up to 28.8 modem (better than 9600 for inet apps anyway), and a minimum of 40mb of hard-drive space available (though it could technically be run in less than 10mb I'm sure by completetion). As for the speed of the system, we're keeping the modules small and fast and powerful and pretty (not an easy thing to do!) so that execution will be smooth and productive. I'm positive that use of any accelerator or speed-enhancement (loading/saving i.e. JiffyDOS) hardware would only make the system better, however I will try to keep this from being a requirement. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:05:18 PST Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Wayne V Lorentz Subject: Re: Using the C128 Z80? -Reply On Sat, 22 Jun 1996 09:05:11 -0700 Larry Hollis writes: >Hi Steve, > >Well I did know the TRS-80 was built around the Z80, but did not know >it >was a Z80A or that there would be any difference in two. This >intrests >me on an acadenic level. Back in the early '80s I took a couple of >intense classes in 6502 architecture & applications given by a Dr. >Luxembourg of USC at Fresno, CA. I was in the Navy at the time >stationed >and the Naval Weapons Center at China Lake, CA and the classes were >part >of a larger in house training program in digital electronics. Dr. Lux >also during the course of these classes turned me on to the joys of >programming in FORTH, which I still do. > >When I got my C=128 (which replaced a C-=64, which replaced a PET >2001, >which replaced a KIM-1) I gave some thought about getting deeper into >the >Z80 as at the time I was well versed on CP/M as the Projects Dept. of >Air >Test & Evlauation Squadron (where I worked) had several Osburone OM-1s >to >record test data on while out on one of the ranges. These were Z80 >machines. I still have some software from this time, and it runs on >my >C=128 in CP/M mode. > >So your comment led me to dig out my copy of the Commodore 128 >Programmer's Reference Guide and check the schematics. Sure enough, >it >shows U10 to be a Z80A. I think what you need here is just to get the >1571 to read the TRS-80 disk format, or find a TRS-80 (I know that's >harder than finding a PET 2001) and set up a null modem between the >two >and pass the TRS-80 software over to the C=128. So the only >"emulation" >would be in getting the 1571 to read the TRS-80 disks, and I thought >that >these were in the IBM MFM format. Though you might have to work out >the >number of tracks/sectors used by the TRS-80. > >Larry > >P.S. Keep in touch, as this is an interesting project. > >r8-{)}}} > >quagmire@accessnv.com > Actually, you may be able to get your bands on a TRS-80. In the classified adds in the last issue of Radio World, there's a guy in Iowa selling a couple of them for $25/each. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:27:02 -0700 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Larry Hollis Subject: Re: Need help with C128 composite cable... In-Reply-To: On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, STEVE MELLO wrote: > Hello, > > I asked this question before, but I don't think I asked it > correctly, so here it goes again..... :) > > I have a C128 with a color monitor by a company called BMC. On > the back it has two connections for the RCA type jacks, Audio and > Video. I have a cable the connects to the DIN plug on the back > of the 128, but the pins are not connected properly. > > I know which pins on the C128 do what, but I don't know which > pins connect to which RCA plug on the other end. I am assuming > that each RCA jack has two wires coming from it, is this correct? > One for the center pin, and one for the outer ring? I know that > the 128 only uses four of these DIN pins for video/audio output. > What I need to know is which wires from the RCA jack connect to > which DIN pin on the back of the 128? Do the video and sync/lum > connect on the two video RCA jack wires (if so, which one in or > outer connects to which one on the other end)? Does the audio and > ground connect for the other? > > I hope this hasn't been too confusing. I know what I am thinking > in my mind, but it's hard to get it to words. > > Thanks, > > Steve > RULE #1 -- DON'T MESS WITH THE WIRING UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING! (As it is a good way to fry you computer and/or monitor.) Now to answer your question. The eight pins on the Composite Video DIN plug on the C128 are as follows: 1. Luminance/Sync output 2. Ground 3. Audio Out 4. Video Out (Composite signal output) 5. Audio In 6. Color Out 7. No connection 8. No connection Your monitor is a "Composite" type. is is a type of monitor where the video, sync, and color signals are combined as one. This is opposed to an RGBI montor in which the red, green, blue, luminance, and sync signals are all seperate, i.e. seperate wires. To make you monitor work. Connect the outer part of the RCA jack to the Ground (pin #2) for two jacks. Then to the center pin of one of the RCA jacks connect pin 4 (video out), this will be your video into the monitor. Using the other jack, connect its center pin to pin #3 of the DIN plug (Audio out), this then plugs into the Audio of you monitor. You don't need to worry about the rest or the DIN pins as they are not used by your monitor. If you had a Commodore 1902A monitor, all of these pins would be used, Pins 1 and 6 provide the 128's 40 column color display, pin 4 is when you switch to C64 mode. The audio in (pin 5) is not used. With your monitor you will not be able to use the 128's 80-column RGBI out put, this is the 9-pin square D (IBM) plug, as you monitor can not process this type of signal. r8-{)}}} quagmire@accessnv.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:34:45 -0700 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Larry Hollis Subject: Re: Need help with C128 composite cable... In-Reply-To: This is a P.S. to my first post on this subject. Get some colored plastic electrical tape and mark the two cable by putting a piece of tape around each one just behind the RCA plug. As an example use red for the video and blue for the audio. Then place a small piece of the appropriate color of tape next the the jack on the monitor. So the video jack should have a piece of red tape next to it and the audio jack a piece of blue. Makes it more idiot proof. If you should ever plug the video jack into the audio plug on the monitor you can blow out the audio circuits because of the difference in power levels, and by pluging the audio line in the video plug on the monitor can blow out your SID chip in the C128. Either is not good. r8-{)}}} quagmire@accessnv.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 21:08:22 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: " " Subject: .T64 FILES EXTRACTOR ON COMMODORE? I am looking for a program on behalf of a 64 BBS operator, It is supposed to be a new BBS program like FS v4.0 or something like that. He said it is on the web and located in the U.K. Does anybody here know something about it? More importantly the site address where it is located so that I can download it for him? He would do it himself, but he is afraid of the net, and afraid to learn it. I would greatly appreciate it, thanks. Geminus@anarchyx.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:48:50 -0600 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: "Tom A. Gislason" Organization: Calgary Free-Net Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment In-Reply-To: On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Robert Johnson wrote: > Well, first I should apologise for reffering to it as rag-tag. I am > sure that it has taken many man hours to complete such a system. As you may have noticed, some of us are very protective of our obsolete computers. Apology accepted. > However, what I am talking about is having a Commodore 64/128 hooked > directly into a 28.8 INET access line (either direct feed or SLIP) with > the software (i.e. TCP/IP BBS) to make networking between Commodore C/G > BBS systems quick and painless via the Internet itself... a network > within a network like so many other networks which utilize the > "Internet" as a carrier. In addition to networking within the realm of > the software, I would like to include the ability to network with other > Commodore and non-Commodore BBS systems. Naturally, we are fighting > against the grain here however at the present moment. I understand what you are trying to say here, and more power to you. I know that with the Pearako Network, we are looking into using the Internet as a way of cutting down on the long distance costs that are incurred by the sysops. There are still a few glitches, but sooner or later, we will have it up and running. > We are designing our system to include every possible feature we can > possibly pack into it. One thing to look at would be the inclusion of routines that would be accepted by the 128 SCPU from CMD. Running at 20 mhz, would enhance the system BIG TIME. > cool and it truly pleases me to see it... I notice no one mentioned > anything (up to this post anyway) about DMBBS, or Colors, or C*Base > networking support on CommNet? I would not be surprised... I hung with For a short time, Color128 was in the CommNet, but I am not sure just why they dropped out. I think it had something to do with the fact that most of CommNet doesn't have any "official" rules. Most of the sysops in CommNet do not believe in having too many rules. > to learn more about it from a technical point of view... if I am going > to be designing a network anyway, why not make it compatible with the > current configuration... don't fix it if it ain't broke (the second > thing I learned in programming... the first was 'nothing' is impossible > )... Check with SMS Mike at Diamondback BBS or Mitron at Cygnx (I know I spelled it wrong Michael....sorry) about the compatability factor. Good luck with your endeavors. Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS (403)734-2382 (403)934-4756 Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #92 Internet address: gislason@freenet.calgary.ab.ca FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:53:35 -0600 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: "Tom A. Gislason" Organization: Calgary Free-Net Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment In-Reply-To: On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Robert Johnson wrote: > IN>Denny, > IN> You are so far behind that you do not know what you are talking > IN>about. Right now!!!!!!!there is a program called The Wave (out in demo > IN>right now) that can access the net via ICP and view all the fancy images > IN>on the Internet. However, most of us who use the Commodore 64/128 are > IN>there for one purpose.............TEXT......... We are trying to keep the > IN>*old* machines alive. > Somehow, I just don't think anyone here is getting the point... I don't > care how many people have written how many programs to access the web or > the internet for surfing... I'm talking about server technology here... > not client technlogy (though that's included too!). Show me a BBS that > can be accessed directly from the web through telnet, FTP and e-mail and > runs up to 28.8 bps on a Commodore 64/128 and I'll shut up and go > away... until then... well... you figure it out. > > Denny S. > accolon@playpen.com > Sent Via The Playpen BBS...Washington DC's Premier Online Service > ..TELNET: PLAYPEN.COM...MODEM: (703)591-4567 > Okay, so now it is my turn to appoligize. I misread your post, thinking that you were discussing surfing the net rather than running a server application. If I remember correctly (and that is a little hared as one gets older....at least that is what the kids tell me), there is a C=128 that is right now acting as a server on the net. I can't remember what software he is running, but I do remember seeing something like that posted either on FidoNet or CommNet. Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS (403)734-2382 (403)934-4756 Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #92 Internet address: gislason@freenet.calgary.ab.ca FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:07:30 -0600 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: "Tom A. Gislason" Organization: Calgary Free-Net Subject: Re: .T64 FILES EXTRACTOR ON COMMODORE? In-Reply-To: On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, wrote: > I am looking for a program on behalf of a 64 BBS operator, It is > supposed to be a new BBS program like FS v4.0 or something like that. He > said it is on the web and located in the U.K. > Does anybody here know something about it? More importantly the site > address where it is located so that I can download it for him? He would > do it himself, but he is afraid of the net, and afraid to learn it. > I would greatly appreciate it, thanks. Geminus@anarchyx.com > Okay, the program that you are looking for can be had from 221 Baker Street, and soon on Emergency Call BBS as well. Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS (403)734-2382 (403)934-4756 Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #10 Internet address: gislason@freenet.calgary.ab.ca FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:49:41 -0400 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Michael Bendure Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment > Gunther, when he owned C*Base wouldn't even consider half of the > suggestions made to him by SysOps running his software... Yeah, Gunther just kinda laughed when I mentioned CommNet to him. He simply said it would never work. Hmm, seems to be working pretty well, although we still don't have C*base connected because of lack of interest on their part. > Fred's a cool guy... but he had his own priorities, and internetworking was > never one of them... Yeah, I found that out. Took me a few weeks on GEnie to talk him into it, then he disappeared. > Depeche Mode would likely have gotten into it, unfortunately he sold DMBBS to > someone who released version 5 as version 6 with his own name on it... Eric Hodges was doing their Networking. Problem was, they wouldn't let Eric do it the way he wanted. They had some strange type of call out procedure which wasn't automated at all. You actually had to call in and download the packets from a UD area. I was trying to help Eric with the automation part, but these guys wanted it done a specific way that wouldn't work without serious dupes and other problems. Eric gave up when it was sold. > As for utilizing the Super64 cpu, in reality I know there is no real > need for this for the system, though it's use would I'm sure make the > system more efficient. But this itself remains to be seen... From what I hear, the Super64 CPU is being shipped as we speak. hehe > What's more... the true excitement of the system will be it's open > architechture... designing MODS for the system will be cake to an > experienced programmer, and availability of many different system > configurations allows the system to be as compatible as possible with > all systems. What about the not so experienced programmer? > Besides that, the system is being designed with minimum > requirements: 2mb REU/RAMLink (4mb reccomended), SwiftLink w up to 28.8 > modem (better than 9600 for inet apps anyway), and a minimum of 40mb of > hard-drive space available (though it could technically be run in less > than 10mb I'm sure by completetion). There goes a bit part of your user base. You should make it run with a minimum system. 64 and maybe a couple of drives. Then for those who have the larger systems, add on extra features. Requiring a minimum of 2 mb REU and 40 Meg HD space will loose most of your potential customers. > As for the speed of the system, we're keeping the modules small and > fast and powerful and pretty (not an easy thing to do!) so that execution > will be smooth and productive. I'm positive that use of any accelerator or > speed-enhancement (loading/saving i.e. JiffyDOS) hardware would only > make the system better, however I will try to keep this from being a requirement. You know, the way you describe this system, it sounds like DS2 with Internet acces. Our moduals are kept small so they load quickly, programming DS2 is easy even for the inexperienced programmer, upcoming v3.0 has the Swiftlink access up to 38.4k baud and it already works with JiffyDOS and CMD equipment. It would take alot less work to simply mod DS2 to do what you want to do. Both the ml and BASIC moduals can easily be swapped in and out of memory. Ml moduals could be written to take care of the TCP/IP stuff and the small BASIC moduals to do certain functions within the program, but I digress. Again, good luck with your program and I hope it does all you want it too. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:10:00 EST Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Christopher McLeod Subject: CommNet Sorry for being so ignorant on the subject, but I am very excieted to hear about a C= network! :-> But, from what I have gathered so far, we are talking about a "network" of BBSs. In other words, the only ones that are really involved with it now are the SysOps of those BBSs. Am I also hearing (reading) that a special softare for its use (by users, not sysops) is or will be necessary? If none of the above is true, how can I connect? I have an ISP (Concentric) which gives me access to many different BBSs. Can I access ComNet thru the net or thru Concentric (as a BBS)? Thank you so much for putting up with my ignorance. I have learned SO INCREDIBLY MUCH about computers over the 12 years I have been using my C64. Honestly, I know MUCH more about computers (i.e. PCs), than most people in any company I have worked for. Little do they know that my conceptual (and some practical) knowledge comes from a C64!! :-) AND I've spent only approximately $400 for that knowledge over the past 12 years! :-@ :-) As you can tell I am still (and will be in the future) excited about C=! Chris McLeod craftyc@cris.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:29:00 EST Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Christopher McLeod Subject: Again? CommNet..... Hmmmmmmm...... the server told me that this message (below) (which I JUST sent) had already been sent before. Maybe this message somehow echo-ed around in its memory so it THOUGHT I sent it twice, when actually, I only sent it once. ANYWAYS, if this is INDEED the second time you have received it, please disregard. Thanks! Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry for being so ignorant on the subject, but I am very excieted to hear about a C= network! :-> But, from what I have gathered so far, we are talking about a "network" of BBSs. In other words, the only ones that are really involved with it now are the SysOps of those BBSs. Am I also hearing (reading) that a special softare for its use (by users, not sysops) is or will be necessary? If none of the above is true, how can I connect? I have an ISP (Concentric) which gives me access to many different BBSs. Can I access ComNet thru the net or thru Concentric (as a BBS)? Thank you so much for putting up with my ignorance. I have learned SO INCREDIBLY MUCH about computers over the 12 years I have been using my C64. Honestly, I know MUCH more about computers (i.e. PCs), than most people in any company I have worked for. Little do they know that my conceptual (and some practical) knowledge comes from a C64!! :-) AND I've spent only approximately $400 for that knowledge over the past 12 years! :-@ :-) As you can tell I am still (and will be in the future) excited about C=! Chris McLeod craftyc@cris.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:49:32 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Senr: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: David Meads Subject: Need help with C128 composite cable... CO>Hello, CO>I asked this question before, but I don't think I asked it CO>correctly, so here it goes again..... :) CO>I have a C128 with a color monitor by a company called BMC. On CO>the back it has two connections for the RCA type jacks, Audio and CO>Video. I have a cable the connects to the DIN plug on the back CO>of the 128, but the pins are not connected properly. CO>I know which pins on the C128 do what, but I don't know which CO>pins connect to which RCA plug on the other end. I am assuming CO>that each RCA jack has two wires coming from it, is this correct? CO>One for the center pin, and one for the outer ring? I know that CO>the 128 only uses four of these DIN pins for video/audio output. CO>What I need to know is which wires from the RCA jack connect to CO>which DIN pin on the back of the 128? Do the video and sync/lum CO>connect on the two video RCA jack wires (if so, which one in or CO>outer connects to which one on the other end)? Does the audio and CO>ground connect for the other? CO>I hope this hasn't been too confusing. I know what I am thinking CO>in my mind, but it's hard to get it to words. CO>Thanks, CO>Steve I have a similar problem...but with the other connection. I have a Teknika MJ-22 monitor and have a cable from the 9 pin flat RGB connection on the puter to a round connection on the monitor. When set up for 80 col and switched to RGB on the monitor the text is very much like when you have a TV that needs horizontal hold adjusted badly...only it won't straighten out completely...it goes to a warped, narrow screen. Any help with this one? de Hat dehat@cupid.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:46:52 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: " " Subject: Re: .T64 FILES EXTRACTOR ON COMMODORE? The program I am looking for is actually called st/r 4.0 or higher, can anyone assist me in locating the internet address of this program? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:02:00 EST Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Christopher McLeod Subject: Descent "These guys should try Descent. A much more productive outlet for their energies. Erik" The above is a comment a friend of mine made after reading about CommNet, and about other C= advances. Send me some comments to reply to his comment. Chris McLeod ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:03:00 EST Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Christopher McLeod Subject: Dumb questions :-) But I do not know how to get to the comp.sys.cbm (or whatever it is) FAQs. I have an ISP, NovaTerm 9.5, and 9600 but I do not know how to "FTP" (download) files, OR how to use a "newsgroup" or a "usegroup." Also, how do I create and then USE bookmarks in LYNX? Is NovaTerm the best for browsing with a 64? If NT 9.6 is on a cartridge, how does one use a SLink with it? Would some kind soul please condescend to educate me? I know that there is a whole HUGE 64 world out there that I have not even begun to tap into by only viewing web pages. Thanks in advance Chris ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:03:00 EST Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Christopher McLeod Subject: What is DS2? What is "DS2 with internet access"? It sounds exciting. Can I use it on my stock 64 (w 9600 bps)? Chris McLeod ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 05:39:58 EDT Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Gaelyne@CRIS.COM Subject: dumb Questions :-) To: COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: dumb Questions :-) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:45:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailreader: GoldED 2.50.Beta6+ G'day Chris, There's no such thing as a dumb question. :-) CL> But I do not know how to get to the CL> comp.sys.cbm (or whatever it is) FAQs. Send Email to: brain@msen.com Subject: MAILSERV In the body of the message, type: help catalog --------------- This will tell you how to get the FAQ files, and a whole lot of other neat stuff you'd probably be interested. The catalog is the list of files you can retrieve via Email from Jim Brain's MAILSERV program. CL> I have an ISP, NovaTerm 9.5, and 9600 but I do not know how to CL> "FTP" (download) files, This one requires more detailed of an answer than I can give at 3:30am, so I'll suggest (for now) using (since I know you're on Cris.com) the online help. Type "ihelp" from the menu and it will start Lynx and display a list of different help files to check out. Lots of good info in there. CL> OR how to use a "newsgroup" or a "usegroup." You don't use these, you read them. The easiest way to read newsgroups is by using Lynx (on *some* systems). From the main menu, press "l" for list, then move down to the news area (just cursor down). Select the menu option to subscribe to a newsgroups and type "comp.sys.cbm" when prompted for the name of a group. It will appear as a new folder in lynx and you can read and reply to them. You can also use reader utilities online. One is called "tin" (you just type it on the command line) and it starts. "Yank in/Yank out" is a menu option with tin that lets you pull in all the newsgroups, and yank them all out. This is an easy way to read newsgroups without subscribing to them. CL> Also, how do I create and then USE bookmarks in LYNX? Just hit the "a" key and it will ask if you want to save the link your cursor is on or the document you're viewing. It will save this, and from that point on, you can hit the "v" key to access it. You can set up a bookmark file name in lynx by pressing the "o" key and changing the options, then save it. This lets you set up much more and is worth checking into. I named my bookmark file "bookmark.html" and if I just want to go directly to that, I have lynx start with it. CL> Is NovaTerm the best for browsing with a 64? There's also ACETerm which lets you do the same, but unless you can compile Unix programs on your ISP (you can't on cris.com), you won't be able to download files using it. So I guess the answer is "yes". CL> If NT 9.6 is on a cartridge, how does one use a SLink with it? There's no uncertaintly that it WILL be on a cartridge. However, if it is, you can use a cartridge port expander like CMD's EX3+1. Cheers, Gaelyne Gaelyne R. Moranec moranec@hal9000.apana.org.au //\ /\\ 90 Hilliers Rd || * \ . . / * || Reynella S.A. 5161 Fido: 1:366/221.128 \\____\X/____// Australia 3:800/809.128 / * /O\ * \ \__/ " \__/ http://people.delphi.com/gaelyne QWKRR128: http:/people.com/gaelyne/qtoc.html Speaking for myself and not for any publications or other employers. ___ QWKRR128 V4.51 [R] --- * Origin: Gaelyne's QWKRR128 test site (Aust) (3:800/809.0) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:40:44 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Elizabeth Ferrarini Subject: None REGARDING None Are you looking for accurate, inexpensive, and prompt relies to all of your technical questions, including where to locate spare PC parts? Then do what I did. Turn to a new Web site called the SOS Help Center at www.torch-usa.com. I was looking for 6, 2-mybtes of memory modules for a Compaq 386/33 PC. Compaq wanted $1,200, while CompUSA wanted $799. Within 15 minutes, the SOS Help Center located a wholesaler near me who would sell the memory for under $200. I paid $29 for the information plus the site's small monthly fee. The field engineers who operate this site will research any technical question. They also have an expensive spare parts database of hardware for PCs, printers, and networking products. Elizabeth ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:36:19 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Jack Tarvin Organization: Chrysalis * 96 Lines * 214.690.9295 * Telnet: chrysalis.org Subject: DUMB QUESTIONS :- Gaelyne[ I just printed your response to "Dumb Question" and got a lot of good information: LYNX, Newsgroups, Bookmarks, etc. and want to thank you (as usual). Where may I get LYNX? Any suggestions? Thanks. jack.tarvin@chrysalis.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:46:51 -0400 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Gaelyne Moranec Subject: Re: dumb Questions :-) In-Reply-To: <9606260939.AA05266@viking.cris.com> On Wed, 26 Jun 1996 Gaelyne@cris.com wrote: I screwed up!! > CL> If NT 9.6 is on a cartridge, how does one use a SLink with it? > > There's no uncertaintly that it WILL be on a cartridge. This should have read: There's AN uncertaintly that it WILL be on a cartridge. ^^ It will probably be released on disk (as a commercial product). > However, if it is, you can use a cartridge port expander like CMD's > EX3+1. //\ /\\ Gaelyne R. Moranec (Gasson) Fidonet: || * \ . . / * || 90 Hilliers Rd 1:366/221.128 \\____\X/____// Reynella, S.A. 5161 3:800/809.128 / * /O\ * \ Australia \__/ " \__/ Gaelyne@cris.com / moranec@hal9000.net.au http://people.delphi.com/gaelyne QWKRR: http://people.delphi.com/gaelyne/qtoc.html Speaking only for myself and not for any employers or publications. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:11:05 -0500 Reply-To: abaugher@bcl.net Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Aaron Baugher Subject: Re: WANTED: Commodore Equipment In-Reply-To: (gislason@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:53:35 -0600 From: "Tom A. Gislason" If I remember correctly (and that is a little hared as one gets older....at least that is what the kids tell me), there is a C=128 that is right now acting as a server on the net. I can't remember what software he is running, but I do remember seeing something like that posted either on FidoNet or CommNet. Running a web server is really not that complicated. httpd is a pretty simple system: it sits and watches a port, waits for GET commands, and kicks out the file requested. The two things you have to have first though, would be TCP/IP, and a high-bandwidth (at least 28.8) connection. Also, you'd want your files on a hard drive. If someone wants to develop TCP/IP for ACE, I could probably put together an httpd for it pretty easily, since I work with web servers all the time. Aaron -------------------------------------------------------- Aaron J. Baugher http://www.bcl.net/~abaugher Software Engineer abaugher@bcl.net Basic Communications, Ltd. _Roark_ on IRC -------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:14:06 -0230 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Adam Vardy Subject: Re: Dumb questions :-) In-Reply-To: <61960626050316/0005157132DC6EM@MCIMAIL.COM> Not dumb questions. :) On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Christopher McLeod wrote: > But I do not know how to get to the comp.sys.cbm (or whatever it is) > FAQs. Hmm.. Then how did you find out how to get onto this mailing list? I found out how to get on it from the FAQ. > > I have an ISP, NovaTerm 9.5, and 9600 but I do not know how to "FTP" > (download) files, OR how to use a "newsgroup" or a "usegroup." Good questions. I would say that the most efficient way of answering them would be to ask how your system works. When I first got onto the Internet, I thought everyone else used in in the same way. It turns up that there seems to be some variety in the way that people are connected up. So are you able to type commands? Can you type FTP? You're using Pine right now for e-mail, are you? What does your ISP say that you are able to do? What programs have you used so far? For using the Internet your terminal program should be set for VT100 emulation. I guess Novaterm is the best term program for the 64. - Adam ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:07:27 -0400 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Michael Bendure Subject: Re: CommNet > Sorry for being so ignorant on the subject, but I am very excieted to > hear about a C= network! :-> > > But, from what I have gathered so far, we are talking about a > "network" of BBSs. In other words, the only ones that are really > involved with it now are the SysOps of those BBSs. Actually, yes and no. CommNet is a Network of BBS programs that stretch accross the US and Canada. The idea behind CommNet was to establish a standard for the Commodore BBS's in order for them to connect to other BBS's running different software. My original plan was to get Sysops or programmers of the different BBS's together and work out a standard that each of our systems could use. It took me two years to convince anyone it was a good idea and somthing we should all be doing, then another year or so to track down the people who could do it for each BBS. Since I've received a few replies asking about CommNet, here's a brief history of the program and little about where we are now with the program or should I say concept. ______________________________________________________ The Image BBS program and their Networks were the first one to connect to C-Net 64 DS2 BBS and DS2 Network to begin the CommNet process. Next came C-Net 128 and the Pearako Network, then Color V128 jumped in for a short time. I tried for a year to get everyone to commit to a standard we could all use and to document their Networking structure so we could pick specific areas from each platform and incorporate it all into one standard. Since I was the only one who documented the packet structure and connection procedure and also since the three were similar to begin with, we all decided to go with the DS2 packet structure and connection procedure. Its fast, simple and to the point. An Image programmer, Ed Wilson began by writting a conversion program that converted the DS2 packet structure into the Image structure and vise-a-versa. He then wrote a program that would connect, send the node info and exchange the two packets. (One coming and one going). Later, Ed wrote the same program for C-Net 128, but couldn't work out the connection procedure for the 128 side. At this time Image was converting two networks into and back from their structure, to the two C-Net structures. This was a cumbersome process that took alot of time for Ed's system. C-Net 128 decided to also write a converter for the DS2 packet structure and connection procedure. One of the original authors of Pearako Network, Al Green, began to write the converter and the connection procedure, but had to move before he finished the project.Another programmer for C-Net 128, ke Eglestone, decided to write his own converter and connection procedure and now has C-Net 128 connecting and converting to and from the DS2 standard. Color V128 came into the picture and began writting the converter for their system. The programmer was also working on QWK program for their BBS and at that time had both projects going at once. They only transfered a few packets before the 2400 baud connections and packet sizes, as well as our lack of strict rules scared off the Color V128 folks. I also contacted Fred Ogle of Color 64 and got him mildly interested. Enough so that he sent me the programmers guide and three empty disks, that were suppose to contain the BBS program, for Color 64. Never heard from him after that, even after numerous email, feedback and even a few posts and replies on his BBS. Soon after, Fred turned over Color 64 to someone else and I still haven't heard from them. C*Base 64 was also brought in to the extent that I had Jerome Yoner write moduals for their BBS to allow them to connect to CommNet. Jerome also lost interest in the Commodore and sold C*Base 64 to someone and I haven't heard from them either. I've also sent numerous mail and feedback to Brian Bell of Omni 128 about connecting to CommNet and never have received a reply. This brings us to the present. CommNet consists of C-Net 64 DS2 BBS, running DS2 Network and BlackNet; Image BBS running FNet, NACS Network and the rest of the Image Networks; and C-Net 128 run Pearako Network. I'm now working with a Wildcat BBS Sysop/Programmer who is writting a converter from the Fido and other IBM Networks to the DS2 Network standard. We have the converter working perfectly and are now working on the connection routines. We even use the punter protocol to do the transfers. This PC connection will bring CommNet the Fido CBM areas and Fido Netmail. We are also looking into Internet Mail and a way to setup CommNet for any Commodore BBS to feed from Wildcat or other PC BBS's. Some of the folks on the 128 side are looking into using the Internet to transfer CommNet packets back and forth. I beleive that are writting scripts for their shell accounts to allow the Commodore to connect to their shell, transfer and receive the CommNet packets, then logoff and sort the packets like we normally do. While all this is great, we still haven't done what I really wanted to do with CommNet. That is to establish the standard from each Networking program and use that standard for a new program on each individual system. This would free up alot of time these other systems are taking to do conversions from one format to another and it would make the little problems we have now, when someone's converter messes up. While the DS2 Network does have to do any conversions, it still makes for a clumbsy setup for the other systems, not to mention being tied into a different packet structure from what your system actually uses. I'm hoping that now we have all the conversions between the three systems completed, we can all sit down and start developing the actual CommNet system. The main problem is that each Sysop is used to running the Networking they currently have. Creating a drastic change in procedure is tough when your talking 100 or so systems. We can however all run two individual networks and slowly change from one to the other. The reason both Image and C-Net 128 took the DS2 strandard was not only for its simplicity, but also because we do everything on one call. All parts of the Network, the message bases, the netmail, network updates and network extras are all placed in one SEQ file for each system. When a remote node calls their hub, the remote node sends out a packet, then receives a packet. The two systems disconnect and sort their respective packets to their system and any other system connected to them. The packet is then scratched and the system is at waiting for call, ready for users or another network call. C-Net 128 and Image either used several separate packets or their call out procedure only went in one direction, which meant two or more calls for each system. Both of these methods were a bit more costly than what DS2 Network used. Another nice feature of the DS2 Network is the fact that it updates itself. Any time a Sysop reconfigures his system or Network portion of his system, an update is sent out to update the rest of the network. Node information, subboard lists and network options configured for each system are updated throughout the network. This allows each Sysop to see who is current and what nodes need removed. It also allows the network to configure itself as to which BBS gets what subboards or which combination of network options. CommNet carries over 30 subboards, netmail and several other options that are available to each BBS. Options like Net Classifieds, Net Matchmaker, Net Graphiti Wall and Networked Games can also be turned on or off for each system. Anyone interested in writting a converter and connection routines for CommNet are more than welcome. I have a text file that describes the packet structure and one for the connection procedure, both to and from any of the CommNet systems. You must be running a Commodore BBS with access to punter protocol in order to connect. I hope this covers most of your questions. If not, I can be reached at mbendure@infinet.com, feel free to mail me.. :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:20:01 -0400 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Michael Bendure Subject: Re: What is DS2? > What is "DS2 with internet access"? It sounds exciting. Can I use it > on my stock 64 (w 9600 bps)? Hmm, not sure what this means. DS2 stands for Developers System 2 and is part of the C-Net 64 DS2 BBS system. It is also related to the DS2 Network, which is a network of BBS's running C-Net 64 DS2 BBS. We don't access the Internet with the BBS, but we do offer support for the BBS and Network programs on the WWW, through IRC and even teleconferencing using cuseeme (If they also have a PC). You can run C-Net 64 DS2 BBS and DS2 Network which is also connected to CommNet, on your stock 64. We even have some Sysops running the network from floppy drives, although I wouldn't recommend it. :) The current release of C-Net 64 DS2 is still at 2400 max, however the next release was just recently preveiwed by a few of us and the 38.4k baud routines do work fine. We don't have a release date for v3.0 yet, but it is close with only the UD area left to complete as far as the main program goes. For a little more info on C-Net 64 DS2 BBS, DS2 Network or CommNet, checkout http://www.infinet.com/~mbendure and the related links. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:34:15 EDT Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Gaelyne@CRIS.COM Subject: dumb Questions :- To: COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU G'day, JT> Gaelyne[ I just printed your response to "Dumb Question" and got a JT> lot of good information: LYNX, Newsgroups, Bookmarks, Hopefully you caught my correction message too. JT> etc. and want to thank you (as usual). You're quite welcome, Jack. JT> Where may I get LYNX? Any suggestions? Thanks. It is an Internet utility that would be on your Internet Provider. It's not a program you download and use on your computer. If you have a command line (ie, UNIX shell account) to use, you simply type "lynx" and it should start if it exists. You may also type it as: lynx http://people.delphi.com/gaelyne (My new WWW site) Lynx may be a menu option on some systems, too. ------- Don't confuse the Internet utility named lynx with the C= compression program of the same name. They are two totally different things. Cheers, Gaelyne Gaelyne R. Moranec moranec@hal9000.apana.org.au //\ /\\ 90 Hilliers Rd || * \ . . / * || Reynella S.A. 5161 Fido: 1:366/221.128 \\____\X/____// Australia 3:800/809.128 / * /O\ * \ \__/ " \__/ WWW: http://people.delphi.com/gaelyne QWKRR128: http:/people.delphi.com/gaelyne/qtoc.html Speaking for myself and not for any publications or other employers. ___ QWKRR128 V4.51 [R] --- * Origin: Gaelyne's QWKRR128 test site (Aust) (3:800/809.0) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:34:16 EDT Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Gaelyne@CRIS.COM Subject: Genie News To: COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU G'day Everyone, I'm not sure if the announcement made it to this list.... The Commodore Roundtable on Genie is under new Management... CMD (Creative Micro Designs, Inc) now manage the C= RTC and have some great things in store for Genie subscribers. When CMD asked if I would join their Genie staff, I was very honoured and accepted immediately. They needed a host or hostess for Monday nights and so this is the job I'll be fullfilling until I leave for Australia (which will be in October, hopefully). So if you're looking for something to do on Monday nights, you can come visit me in the C= Real-time conference area on Genie from 10pm -1am. Just type m625;2 from the main menu and you'll be whisked to the Conference area. We're not sure what the name of my chat room will be, or the topic -- although knowing me it'll probably have something to do with modeming and telecoms in general. :-) You might notice that my .signature below has my Web pages on Delphi, and here I am talking about Genie. I use both services. Cheers, Gaelyne Gaelyne R. Moranec moranec@hal9000.apana.org.au //\ /\\ 90 Hilliers Rd || * \ . . / * || Reynella S.A. 5161 Fido: 1:366/221.128 \\____\X/____// Australia 3:800/809.128 / * /O\ * \ \__/ " \__/ WWW: http://people.delphi.com/gaelyne QWKRR128: http:/people.delphi.com/gaelyne/qtoc.html IRC: #QWKRR (Thurs 9pm EST - whenever) on the Dalnet Network Speaking for myself and not for any publications or other employers. ... QWKRR128 - Read 'n' Reply offline with a C=128 ___ QWKRR128 V4.51 [R] --- * Origin: Gaelyne's QWKRR128 test site (Aust) (3:800/809.0) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:57:23 EDT Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Ariel Baez Subject: Supermon Hello to all. In the past week I have learned alot from the discussions of networks and such, but for the moment let me direct your attention to the following question: Does anyone know where I can get documentation on Supermon -by Jim But- terfield. I brought a used commie a while back and noticed I had this proggy. I am considering learning ASM on the commie but would like some documentation or some refrences on who to use Supermon and/or other Assemblers/Dissamblers/Monitors. -Any comments will be apreciated. Thanks in advance... LONG LIVE Commodores... Ariel Baez ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:04:34 +0200 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: Dariusz Slawek Subject: edu nomail slawek dariusz ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:28:08 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: David Meads Subject: dumb Questions :-) Re: Cartridge expanders If you can find a Navarone cart expander that would be good also...I have 1 1/2 (the half has no case, no switches, missing a couple resistors...:> de Hat ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:34:32 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: David Meads Subject: 1764 uses I just got a 1764 REU at my user group's annual auction. $6, killer price... Now a question (if it doesn't take a book to reply)...what programs can I use it with? de Hat ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:37:04 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: David Meads Subject: JATO message Would the person who originally sent the message about the idiot who found a C-130 JATO apparatus in the desert and attached it to his car please send me that message directly. You can e-mail me at: dehat@cupid.com Thank you...a couple radio guys are interested in it. ----- I I --------------- de Hat ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:46:02 -0500 Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION From: " " Subject: JATO message CO>Would the person who originally sent the message about the idiot who CO>found a C-130 JATO apparatus in the desert and attached it to his car CO>please send me that message directly. You can e-mail me at: CO> dehat@cupid.com CO>Thank you...a couple radio guys are interested in it. CO> ----- CO> I I CO>--------------- CO> de CO> Ha I would like a copy of that again as well! Geminus@anarchyx.com =END=