Our *FlagShip* 128 Conference with Fred Bowen:
Transcript from 2/23/1988:


From Steno: Jennifer Marlowe 
 
Date: 02/23/88   Time: 23:57EST 
 
Minutes: 
<DEB> Hidy folks. 
<SPARROW.J> Hi Deb 
<SPARROW.J> Of interest to you and the Starship 
<[pat] PBE> loren, I got that book we were talking about last week. 
<DEB> (Is Fred any better at showing up than Jeff was...?)   ::grin:: 
<SPARROW.J> Yeah, he is 
<SPARROW.J> great Pat, how do you like it 
<[pat] PBE> not bad, but not much on the floating point I was looking for. 
<SPARROW.J> I suspect he will be here soon 
<SPARROW.J> Pat..I got some more floating point stuff from Fred this week 
<SPARROW.J> leave me your mail address 
<SPARROW.J> and I will send you a copy 
<SPARROW.J> in the US mail 
<SPARROW.J> It is 25 pages 
<SPARROW.J> we are going to be publishing it in TC128 
<ROY-FROST> is here. 
<[pat] PBE> o.k. will leave email tonight. 
<H.HERMAN1> is here. 
<SPARROW.J> Hello Howie 
<DEB> 'lo Roy and Howie! 
<DEBS-GUEST> is here. 
<SPARROW.J> Hi Fred 
<ROY-FROST> HOWDY 
<H.HERMAN1> Hi Deb and Roy!! 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> How are things going Fred? 
<H.HERMAN1> Hi Fred and Fred.....Howie Herman here....nice seeing you again 
<[not THE Fred] F.MORRIS> Hi, Howie..and all 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Anyway i suppose we ought to get rolling...I thought we 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> would try this gig informal 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> so just pipe up, but be patient, Fred is only human (except  
when it comes 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> wonderful code) 
<H.HERMAN1> okey me start? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Sure go ahead, Howie 
<H.HERMAN1> Fred, anything happening about a 31581 dis shell like #1571? 
<H.HERMAN1> should be #1581 dos 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> It's on my list (real far down, but on it none-the-less). 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Go ahead folks, don't be bashful 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Shoes for Fred !! 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> anything cold and wet would do... 
<[n.boyce] MERIDIAN> What's the word on DEV-PAK" and availablity of 1750 RAM  
expansions...? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> 1750's, well... we be making them. 
<[n.boyce] MERIDIAN> You don't be "shipping" them! 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> DEVpack got here today, should be able to tell you how to  
get them by next week. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Geez, then I can get some docs, right Fred? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> We're actually pretty good at shipping things we make. 
<[pat] PBE> fred, will the 1764 work on the 128 in 128 mode? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I got *my* first official DEVpack disk set & manual today. 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The 1764 will work, but you should put a 370 (I think) ohm  
resistor at R4. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Yeah, but you knew all the commands 
<[J.Guerdat] MERIDIAN> < -- Still getting DNR w/ 1581 & 1772 & J1 jumpered...!!! 
<[pat] PBE> easier to wait on the 128 ones then, much at hardware work. 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Yeah, wait for 1750's- you want more RAM, not power, eh? 
<[pat] PBE> yeap! 
<J.A.FITCH> Fred I have instaled the upgrade rom's and I now have problems with  
the machine 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Can you describe the problems? 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Fred what is the mps 1250 printer......upgrade from 1200? 
? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> What machine, what problems? 
<J.A.FITCH> lanuage Monitor not switching banks. 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Not too knowledgable about printers. 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> ok... 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> There were absolutly no changes in the upgrade ROMs to the  
monitor... 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> upgrades to what ???? 1750 ?? 
<J.A.FITCH> 128Well that blows that theroy. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fitch are you setting the MMU registers or using the extra  
hex digit 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> on the left 
<[pat] PBE> did the basic jump table in page $af00 change in the new roms? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> No changes to the jump tables. 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> 128 rom upgrades....eek.....haven't got the ones for  
1571 yet.... 
<J.A.FITCH> Yes I am and I know it worked befor the rom change. 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> If you are using RAM expanders, get the 128 ROM upgrades... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Just checking 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> why ?? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Maybe, Fitch, you gotta bum ROM??? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Upgrade ROMs fixed some short comings with DMA drivers. 
<J.A.FITCH> Could be have to talk to my freindly service center about that. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred are those the changes outlined in the 
<H.HERMAN1> Fred.......I still got prob with NO SCROLL.....(embarrassed) 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Transactor a while back 
<J.A.FITCH> Which chip has that pice of code in it ? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Yes, the ROM changes have been documented many places  
(including DEVpack manual:-) 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The middle ROM, 318019, has the monitor. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred did you ever get a chance to play with the Free Spirit  
ROMs? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> What's the problem, Howie? 
<H.HERMAN1> went to track two, sector 18, but couldn't find it.....  :( 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> If so what did ya think 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> No chance to play with Spirit ROMs.  Too busy with 640x400  
bit maps. 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Fred....a generic question for us non "DMA" types.... 
Whats the best news for 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> 128 owners in the last 6 months.....?? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> RAMdisk and DEVpack?  They tickle me, anyway... 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> newer ramdisk that the one I got here a couple of months  
ago ?? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Oh, and 64K video RAM for C128D 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> There has also been some neat software upgrades 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> RAMdisk rev 4.3A is latest released.  (up to rev 5 in house  
tho...) 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> great....will look for it..... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Paperclip III, and a new Fontmaster 128 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Any new "features" in Revision 5? 
<[Billy-Boy] B.HOTCHKISS> <---Waving to someone... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> We see you Billy 
<[Billy-Boy] B.HOTCHKISS> Whew.....hate being invisible 
<H.HERMAN1> "0D" no where to be found...... 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> rev 5 adds copy, and copy with append type stuff, and  
speeds up stuff. 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Howie, I'll patch the disk you sent me & return it. 
<[Billy-Boy] B.HOTCHKISS> Hey, how can you convert a tv to 80 columns?? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, would you outine that special "timeworks" feature.. 
the one that allows 
<H.HERMAN1> thanks Fred..that will do it for certaian 
<[pat] PBE> fred, what is the vector to use in page $0300 to get back to basic  
after executing an added command? 
<JDCLARK> Hiya, all! 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> access to SEQ files in the r-disk software like relative  
files 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Hi JD 
<[Billy-Boy] B.HOTCHKISS> Hi JD.....everyone seems to be busy.... 
<[pat] PBE> hey jd. 
<JDCLARK> Hi, Loren!, Bill, Pat! 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Billy..you are welcome to pipe, right in 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I'll see what I can do to doc. F access, Loren. 
<[Billy-Boy] B.HOTCHKISS> Naw...I'm gonna pipe out....later! 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> After adding a command to BASIC, just rts will return to  
main if you were clean.. 
<[pat] PBE> what do you mean by clean? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Clean: nothing left on stack. 
<J.A.FITCH> What exactly is DEVpack ? 
<[pat] PBE> oh ok i understand now. 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> good question.... 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> DEVpack is a collection of tools we designers wrote for  
editing/assembling 6502 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> It also has source code (like ZAP loader for C64) & sundry  
C64 tools (like sprite editors). 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Any commercial stuff out that uses Basic 8's graphics ??? 
 or coming out ?? 
<JDCLARK> G.Tire--there will be... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Bush, there are several things on the way..Tom Brown has a  
graphics program 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> comming, Lou Wallace and Dave Darus are working on a super  
fantastic 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> desktop Publishing/Paint package 
<H.HERMAN1> One comm'l program I have will run from ramdos, but its same speed  
as 1581... 
<H.HERMAN1> it uses relative files..is that the reason? 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Well night all....Mr. J. tell Fred thanks for me........ 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Tell him yourself 
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> oh there he is ....thanks Fred and shoes for Industry !! 
<H.HERMAN1> why ramdos is same speed as 1581 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Regarding RAMDOS speed... 
<[pat] PBE> fred, does basic care if change MMU settings if you put them back  
to bank 15 when your finished? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> souounds like you might have an older version.  It has been  
sped up in rev 4.3A 
<H.HERMAN1> I'll check it may not be the A version.. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Version 4.3a is the one now on both GEnie and Quantum Link 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Can't vouch for P-link 
<[ Dave] THX1138> I have heard so much of the 1581 drive, what is it? 
<H.HERMAN1> GREAT! 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Depend what MMU settings you change... in most cases it be  
okay. 
<[pat] PBE> just the shadow at $ff00. 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> No problem. 
<JDCLARK> Dave--it's worth every cent! 
<[ Dave] THX1138> what does it DO? 
<H.HERMAN1> holds 800k and runs fast.. 
<[ Dave] THX1138> Does it use a differnt interface? 
<JDCLARK> and takes 3.5 inchers... 
<H.HERMAN1> serial connection 
<JDCLARK> Nope--standard serial 
<[ Dave] THX1138> Well that explains it 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Biggest difference beisides the disk media size and all  
that goes with it 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> is that the 1581 has an 8K cache buffer which really speeds  
it along 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred you want to add anythin 'bout the 81 
<J.A.FITCH> Why 800k IBM has 730k 1.2meg and 2meg how did CBM come up with 800k? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> partitionable, super side sectors for bigger rel files,  
small, quiet. 
<[ Dave] THX1138> but does it make your coffee in the morning? 
<H.HERMAN1> Dave.it does that too 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Well...if you use bad media... 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Actually, 792K (k=1024) formatted capacity. 
<JDCLARK> Fred, BTW, the VDC flicker prob was solved just as you recommended! 
<H.HERMAN1> what flicker prob? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> yea! 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> JD, have you noticed any problems with RFI, since you put  
the torroid in? 
<JDCLARK> It's been great--display is brighter too! 
<JDCLARK> Torroid? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred you want to describe the problem/fix to Howie 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> ferrite bead 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> whatever 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> sorry 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Some 128D's (a very few) slipped out with a problem- 80 col  
screen characters flckerd a bit. 
<H.HERMAN1> oh.... 
<JDCLARK> Took the offending bead out altogether... 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> If this happens to you, you might need a smaller ferrite  
bead (torroid) at FB106 
<H.HERMAN1> mine flicker when I try using 50 lines in writer2...   :) 
<JDCLARK> have a TV 4 feet away and don't see any problem... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Howie, I think the phenom you are describing is interlace  
flicker 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Wait, is that the FCC knockng at JD's door...:-) 
<JDCLARK> Fred, where can these beads be bought? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> that will not go away unless you have a multisync monitor  
or a 
<JDCLARK> Yeah--right behind the IRS! 
<J.GREEN4> is here. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> high persistence monitor 
<H.HERMAN1> something like the NEC for $900? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> yea 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> They grow on trees on old abandoned iron mines, I think. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> So Fred when are we going to organize that Commodore  
warehouse clearance 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I honestly don't know- probably some big electonic supply  
places (not Radio Shac) 
<JDCLARK> How would RFI manifest itself? 
<[ Dave] THX1138> Yea! 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> sale/flee market/picnic 
<H.HERMAN1> <<always wanted to own an iron mine....or any mine>> 
<JDCLARK> Can't find the buggers in the Jameco catalog... 
<H.HERMAN1> huh? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Much of the stuff is gone- probaly a ile of plus/4's and  
VIC 20's... 
<JDCLARK> maybe I ought to saw the one I took out in half! 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I got some great old Vic-20 cartridges... 
<[pat] PBE> loren, send a list with the fp stuff maybe i'll buy some of them. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> No way, PBE, my 3 year old loves the Vic-20 
<[pat] PBE> mine is a 5 year old!!!!!:D 
<H.HERMAN1> 3? I though you just had a baby? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, PBE is the guy I told ya about who wanted the FP info 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I did that too.. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> or actually she did 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> but I helped 
<H.HERMAN1> oh...great!! 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> bet you thought all I did was sit at computers 
<[pat] PBE> fred, how do you decode the bitmap of the tab stops? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> always willing to lend a hand... 
<JDCLARK> You know what they say about those cold Minnesota winters... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> With my wife or floating point? 
<[ Dave] THX1138> Well I'm off to the library...latter all... 
<H.HERMAN1> how about both 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> (just kidding really) 
<H.HERMAN1> bye dave 
<H.HERMAN1> Fred..did Deb give you a permanent PW? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, i know you can activate the 8502 from CP/M 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> TAB stops- just a simple bit map. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> but how do you activate the z-80 from the 8502 side? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> First FP's, now PW's??? 
<[pat] PBE> loren , there is a routine at the bottom of bank 0 to do that. 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Loren, it's in the PRM- and some good examples can be seen  
perusing the source cde. 
<JDCLARK> Loren, I believe there was a Transacter article 'bout that... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> okay..think it would be useful for doing some math in a  
co-processor type 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> WHo knows what evil lurks... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> scheme or do you think things would get kludged 
<[pat] PBE> loren, it is at $ffd0 in bank 0 and z-80 to 8502 is at $ffe1 in  
bank 0. 
<JDCLARK> Fred, do you think it is possible to do 80 column bitmapped graphics.. 
<JDCLARK> from an interrupt? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> sure- 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Hmm interesting topic...eh Fred? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Even lou was finally convinced... 
<[pat] PBE> loren, the z-80 stuff is in the transactor, nov. 86 vol. 7 issue 3. 
<JDCLARK> sniff for the editor on the stack? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Thanks Pat.. 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> He was talkin a mile a minute when I left for home... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Yes, Fred and Lou is going nuts 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> he called me and sounded like he was going to have an  
orgasam 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> JD, if you're not doing text to the 80 col screen (you're  
doing bit maps), 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> it's probably okay most of the time! 
<JDCLARK> I was wondering about that... 
<[pat] PBE> well, i got to go get the wife see ya'll later. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> You want to hit the hay Fred? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> got a few pretzels left... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Cool.. 
<H.HERMAN1> what is the story with chip prices? 
<H.HERMAN1> the 4464 has doubled in 9 months 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Japan 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> and uncle Ron 
<JDCLARK> make that Ron Reagan... 
<H.HERMAN1> sanctions..still? 
<CPX> HOWDY 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> The 'miga folks are really hurting since the 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> still can't say that word, Loren? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> memory upgrades they want are really going sky high 
<H.HERMAN1> but we are paying for the sanctions not the Japanese 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> From what I here you are going to have to learn to say it 
<JDCLARK> At the user group here you should have heard them bit**ing... 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I call 'em Boingers... 
<JDCLARK> about only having 256K... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Believe it or not I may actually buy one, there is this guy  
who 
<JDCLARK> because of sloppily written C code taking up all their RAM! 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> is selling a used 500 for $300 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> >gasp< 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> that I might take up 
<H.HERMAN1> Oh no..our leader is going over 
<JDCLARK> uh oh, we're losing him! 
<H.HERMAN1> i think so...... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> *NEVER* I was going to 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> give it to the wife 
<JDCLARK> Someone bring Loren back to his senses! 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Loren Boinger Sparrow.  Hmmm. 
<JDCLARK> are we talking orgasms again? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Geez, looks like I better pass on it, you guys sound upset 
<H.HERMAN1> Loren  you multi task on two 128's now..what more can you want in  
this life 
<H.HERMAN1> what was that telephone number? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> TC-Amiga 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> yeah you are right..besides, I can get the same video-res  
on a 128 
<JDCLARK> Well, Loren, I may have to get one too--as a terminal for a VAX... 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> >gasp< 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I'll pass on that Fred 
<H.HERMAN1> hmm....like that..TC Amiga....or TC Amiga/128? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> No Howie I would never make TC-128 a hybrid 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> it will always be just 128 only 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> TC-Amiga (tm) 
<H.HERMAN1> JD....BTPRO mimics a vt-100 on 128 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Hello..... 
<H.HERMAN1> Hi Allen 
<JDCLARK> Herman, will need 4010 emulator... 
<H.HERMAN1> phew..never heard of that one.. 
<JDCLARK> Tectronix--very high res graphics 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Anyone here familiar with CP/M? 
<JDCLARK> (am taking new job) 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, loves CP/M 
<H.HERMAN1> Cp/M..yes.. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> ask Fred 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> <ducking under desk> 
<JDCLARK> I noticed another letter to Gazette... 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Fred, is everything you need for CP/M included with the 128 or  
is there moere you can buy? 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> err more 
<H.HERMAN1> cp/m that's something for the computer isn't it? 
<JDCLARK> someone wanted to run 128/Ami programs on their 64... 
<JDCLARK> now that the 1764 expanded their Ram! 
<H.HERMAN1> Allen all you get is the operating sys 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> what is wrong with that JD..I bet a lot of people would 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> More- DRI manual & extra disk utils & source code. 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Do I really need it to run prg. off GEnie? 
<JDCLARK> if they could.... 
<H.HERMAN1> what program? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Well, Allen for some progs you may need the latest update 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> If you have a 1581, you'll certainly want the May87 CP/M  
version. 
<JDCLARK> My question is why Gazette answers one of those every month? 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Any in the CP/M... 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> the prg I mean.... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> which includes modem, RAM expansion, and 1581 support 
<H.HERMAN1> there are several PD terms in CP/M 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> There is several PD everything CP/M 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Lets say I want to run a Prg. called 'Library' how would I go  
about doing it, when I only have the 128 mode working, because I don't 
have a CP/M term..... 
<H.HERMAN1> of youcan use BTPRO in 128 mode for CP/M stuff 
<H.HERMAN1> library has to be unlibraried.. 
<H.HERMAN1> it is several files in one 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Its not a libraried file 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Allen, you need to download the programs either directly  
onto a CP/M 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> its just called library 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> disk, or use a utility to get it there 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> How do I do that? 
<H.HERMAN1> btpro does it 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> What is BTpro......bobs term? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> yep 
<H.HERMAN1> yup 
<H.HERMAN1> i spelt it right! 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Oh....great....gotta go out and scrape up $20....any PD stuff  
that does it? 
<H.HERMAN1> xlink2.1a also 
<[pat] PBE> yea, there is a pd term here on genie that does it. 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Is that on here? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred..how do you write data to the Vic screen borders? 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> What is it do you know? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> or is that in the PRG too? 
<H.HERMAN1> should be here....i think 
<H.HERMAN1> does cbm/ibm/cpm transfers 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Why would I d/l IBM files?  I can't use em can I? 
<JDCLARK> only text. 
<H.HERMAN1> ascii ones...yes 
<DEB> Howie:  Big Blue Reader/CPM should?! 
<H.HERMAN1> that's comm'l d 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred you asleep? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> zzz 
<H.HERMAN1> xlink is a neat one...use it all the time 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> How do I load files on CP/M? Just type the name? 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> at the A> prompt? 
<H.HERMAN1> yup 
<JDCLARK> Any new 128 hardware in the works? 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Yea....The Lt.Kernal II....60 megs 
<H.HERMAN1> for $300? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I wish 
<JDCLARK> at 3x the price of 20 megs... 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Probably about $1700 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Not by me... oh, the new 1670 
<H.HERMAN1> egads!!! 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> hahahahaha 
<JDCLARK> I've got 10 megs in my 1581 disk cabinet... 
<JDCLARK> (12 disks) 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> How about the 1591?  2 megs for the Com-64 or 128.....uses two  
900k Micro-disks 
<H.HERMAN1> we do need a reasonably priced HD for the 128.. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> JD, VMI is exploring a hardware device to enhance C-128  
graphics 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> You mean that you have 10 megs all at once? Oragh............. 
or do you just have 10 megs total on your disks? 
<JDCLARK> really, co-processor? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> nope 
<JDCLARK> (12 disks = 10 3.5 inch disks) 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> oh.....ok 
<H.HERMAN1> Loren did you get a LT? 
<JDCLARK> okay--you've got my interest! 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> I have a Lt.Kernal 20 meg.....128 ver. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> No I can't afford one of those 
<JDCLARK> what's the trick? 
<H.HERMAN1> Allen how is it? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I just can't see paying $900 for a 20 meg HD 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> JD, I'll tell ya via email 
<H.HERMAN1> I agree but it is the only show in town 
<JDCLARK> Maybe all the TC128 subscribers should take up a collection for a TC  
LT! 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I like that idea 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Its awesome so far...works like a charm, except with CP/M..... 
I'm having trouble transferring the system disk.... 
<H.HERMAN1> and raffel it off to subscribers 
<JDCLARK> hee,hee! 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> I got my Lt. Kernal for $350 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Hmm, somewhere the idea just lost some appeal 
<H.HERMAN1> how? can I? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Allen, i'll buy it from ya for $375! 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> what a deal! 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Mis-print in the Montgomery Grant add...it meant to say $850... 
<H.HERMAN1> $400 from here 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> No way....I couldn't get another 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Geez, I missed that one 
<JDCLARK> Loren, have those new "SuperRom chips" come out for the 128D yet? 
<H.HERMAN1> and they honored it? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I have a set of them, but I don't know if they are selling  
the 128D set yet 
<JDCLARK> they have too--otherwise fraud! 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> They had too...they didn't have any subscript about the ads.... 
.hahah they do now.... 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> They lost about 30 HD's that way..... 
<JDCLARK> I'd love to know how transparent they are to commercial stuff. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, your LT kernal worked pretty well with 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> commercial stuff didn't it 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> (want to get Fred back into the conversation since he is  
our guest) 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Don't have that much stuff to try.  And what I got, I  
didn't try! 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> I.....hmmmm.....put California games on it.... 
<H.HERMAN1> don't you use it, Fred? 
<C.MURPHY> how about supper base 
<[pat] PBE> fred, where does basic put the string for DS$ and the number for DS? 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I gots 3 of 'em that I don't use. 
<H.HERMAN1> do ya wanna sell one? really 
<[Allen] A.HAHN> I'll buy one from you for $500 cash...I need another for my BBS 
<JDCLARK> uh,oh 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> location 186 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Not mine actually- CBM's 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Besides I already offered 
<H.HERMAN1> oh..... :( 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Anyway, Fred thanks a ton for stopping buy 
<H.HERMAN1> Fred....really appreciate all your help.. 
<DEB> Allen:  if you're looking for something for a BBS, there are a couple  
SFD's for sale on the BBoard. 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Anyone wnna bootleg copy of JackAttack? 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred..i'd like to see that JackAttack 
<DEB> Fred:  *I* have the CARTRIDGE for Jack Attack!  (and the package)  think  
its worth anything?  <<grin>> 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> (well, *I* got about 20K of em!) 
<DEB> Fred:   so lets give them away to *FlagShip* members here...! 
<H.HERMAN1> oh no...yikes.... 
<H.HERMAN1> yea 
<DEB> I'll give CBM a receipt for their taxes.  <laughing!> 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> let's ship 'em to Atari!!! 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> COD 
<DEB> yea, but we already KNOW what Jack will do with them...! 
<H.HERMAN1> is whats his name still there/ 
<H.HERMAN1> yea Jack Tre.. 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Naaaa- deliver them personally.    From about 30,000 feet.   
No 'shute. 
<DEB> I can see the headlines now... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Film at 11 
<H.HERMAN1> haha 
<DEB> Atari Corp HQ bombed   no survivors. 
<JDCLARK> "as God is my witness, I though turkeys could fly!" 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> No survivors???  That's good fer LOTS of bonus points! 
<H.HERMAN1> oh no.. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Devestation on Bourgeaus Ave....Sunnyvale mourns 
<H.HERMAN1> LOL 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> So many pedestrians... so little time. 
<JDCLARK> hee! 
<DEB> Lots of bonus points and a higher level, too. 
<DEB> I think JackAttack is a classic, more people should have been able to buy  
it. 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I'm really trying to resurrect it... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Well fred time to open that mail order company in the  
basement 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> ACIA's, fast bus for 64's, hmmmm. 
<DEB> UART? 
<H.HERMAN1> who needs it... 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I art, Uart, aren't we all? 
<DEB> You could make your fortune in JackAttack sales alone....Jack might buy  
them all.  <wicked grin> 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred the day you want any of those things to come to light.. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> you know the phone # 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Geez, I guess i really do think of money 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> frown 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Oh, I gots lotsa offers. 
<H.HERMAN1> anybody care to talk..lets talk about jane 
<R.WONG2> Say Fred you would'nt know if commodore has a couple thousand left  
over C-16 Programmers Reference guides around would you? (I just ordered 
one) 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Yeah I know... I think they all call me 
<JDCLARK> Jane Pauley? 
<R.WONG2> I just ordered a c-16 that is 
<H.HERMAN1> Ms. Jane Software 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The c16 PRM's were by Bantam or Scott Fresman Pub. or  
something, not CBM. 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> There is a real estate company that gives away C-16s here 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> if you look at some lake shore property up north 
<H.HERMAN1> do you have to buy the swamp land first? 
<R.WONG2> I'm still wondering why i ordered it. 
<JDCLARK> There's a bank in MD that gives them away with opening a checking  
account... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> nope, just drive up North of Duluth 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> look at it, and take home the computer 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Well gang, my feet are freezing, and I know just how to  
warm 'em up... 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Have a good time Fred 
<DEB> *SweetDreams* Fred! 
<H.HERMAN1> have one for me!! 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> and it ain't sitting here, where there ain't nothin left to  
eat. 
<JDCLARK> Thanks for coming, Fred! 
<[pat] PBE> thanks, fred!!!! 
<H.HERMAN1> ditto 
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Thanks again Fred... 
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I'll try and keep in touch...