#! rnews 5915 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.ed= u!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.inter= netmci.com!in2.uu.net!01-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!cmir.arnes.si!rcum!uel047r= 1a From: tomaz.kac@uni-mb.si (Tomaz Kac) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sinclair,comp.emulators.cbm,comp.sys.cbm Subject: 8-Bit Heaven UPDATE Message-ID: <1996Jul29.180227.1664@rcum> Date: 29 Jul 96 18:02:27 +0200 Organization: University of Maribor, Slovenia Lines: 122 Xref: pravda.aa.msen.com comp.sys.sinclair:26220 comp.emulators.cbm:12871= comp.sys.cbm:58715 HI! Well, I am really sorry for this CD and everything to be so late, but I w= as=20 SOOO busy at the uni and with some other projects... anyway, CD is now=20 FINISHED ... it is DONE :) Now all I have to do is wait for the people at= =20 the factory that is going to produce the CD to come from the vacation....= =20 this should happen in a week or so, and then the CDs will come to my plac= e,=20 I will then EMAIL everyone and POST to the news the PRICE and Paying and=20 Shipping stuff ... not before... This file is just to let you know it is=20 almost there :) Anyway, you can get the FINAL LISTS for all sections on t= he=20 CD from following sites : rcum.uni-mb.si tferi4.uni-mb.si in /incoming directory, the file is 8BITHEVN.ZIP .... This is the Original .README file from the 8-Bit Heaven CD .... I include= d it for completeness... if you would like to order the CD ( when it is aviabl= e ) or you need more info then please email to : tomaz.kac@uni-mb.si Welcome to 8-Bit Heaven CD-Rom =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The CD you are looking at is probably the most complete collection of a= ll the memorable games of the 80's that we still want to remember and sometimes = even play, despite all the new super hires hicolor texture mapped light speed = crap we are seeing in the stores ;) (OK, some of the new ones are still good f= un). I have spent over 4 years collecting games and other nostalgia things f= or ZX Spectrum and C64 myself, so these two collections are the most complet= e on the CD. But since I know many of you were fans of other 8 bit machines, I included software for other platforms like Amstrad CPC, Acorn BBC, MSX, ColecoVision, Apple II, Atari VCS, Atari XL/XE and ofcourse all the possi= ble emulators for all the possible platforms that are on the CD. Most emulato= rs will run on MSDOS machines, but there are some inthere for AMIGA, MAC, AC= ORN Archimedes, Acorn RISC, etc. machines. If you cant find what you are look= ing for then you should look on the internet. The best sites to start at are ftp.funet.fi and ftp.switch.ch. Otherwise you can always ask your questio= ns about anything in NewsGroups like comp.sys.sinclair for Sinclair computer= s, comp.emulators.cbm for C64 emulation, comp.emulators.misc for other platf= orms. Here is a small list of what is on the CD. Of course there is separate readme.txt file for each platform in its own directory, which will explai= n the directory structure and specific instructions for the separate platfo= rms. So here is the brief listing of what is on the CD: ZX SPECTRUM ------------- This is the most complete collection of them all. It contains over 2500= games for all possible versions of ZX Spectrum, many of which are 128k games. T= he collection includes many Originals, Magazine Cover Tapes, everything you = ever wanted to see again. COMMODORE 64 -------------- Contains over 1700 games in both TAPE and DISK format. Most of the clas= sic games are there... For the TAPE games to be playable on both most used emulators (C64s and PC64) there are files in both .TAP and .P00 format. AMSTRAD CPC ------------- Over 600 games for this platform, in three formats ... Snapshots, Tape = games and Disk Images. I believe most of the classic and most wanted games are present. COLECOVISION -------------- Around 140 games for this Console. I never actually saw one, but it did= have most of the games i loved on other computers, so I put this one on the CD. MSX ----- Includes games for MSX and MSX2, in both Cartridge format and Disk form= at. Two emulators for each game format are included and around 600 games are = here. BBC ----- YES, it does include the all original - all mighty ELITE v1.0 :) Beside= s that it contains many more memorable games for this platform. APPLE II ---------- This is one of the biggest collections on the cd ... and it had to be compressed in order to fit on the CD. Uncompressed it would probably take= up another CD just for this platform. :) MANY games are zipped up and can be played from your hard disk. ATARI VCS ----------- This is one of the first game platforms ever. Many games from the memor= able Atari 2600 console are on the CD... unfortunetly we are still waiting for a good emulator, but the one on the CD will do until a better one comes o= ur way. ATARI XL/XE ------------- A LOT of games for this giant (well, it used to be once) with two emula= tors to run them on. The MISC directory contains stuff that doesnt fit into any of the group= s mentioned above, it also contains VORTEX emulation package, which include= s most of the VORTEX games for Spectrum, C64, CPC and ZX81 and also the information about them. If you want to find out more about each platform then please look in th= e seprate directorys for README.TXT files. Everything is explained in there= , including the instructions on how to use the emulators already installed = on the CD. NOTE: All the pre-installed software is ment to be run with SB Pr= o or SB 16 installed on your computer, some of it uses ET4000 card. If you = dont have these componets in your computer then you will be better of installi= ng the software from scratch on your hard disk. Everything that is already installed is still archived in the UTILS or EMULATOR directory for each platform. HAVE FUN !!! #! rnews 1373 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeeder.sdsu.= edu!newspump.sol.net!news.inc.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news-res.gs= l.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!news.cais.net!nn= tp.newsfirst.com!nntp.crosslink.net!usenet From: 74171.2136@compuserve.com (Cris Berneburg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Some serious thoughts on a new newsgroup.... Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:34:02 GMT Organization: CrossLink Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4tip4u$kcp@zeus.crosslink.net> References: Reply-To: 74171.2136@compuserve.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn01c.springfield.va.us.crosslink.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Scott Dutton wrote: >I'll second the idea of forming comp.sys.cbm.forsale. >- Scott Third. I'll be subscribing to both, though. It just means that when I'm interested in buying something I'll look more closely at the 4sale ng. When I'm not interested in buying or, heh heh, Windows-tm shopping, I can ignore those posts more easily. ------- Cris "PC-Geek" Berneburg, mailto:74171.2136@compuserve.com =20 The Basic Bombardier, Manager of Project 64, Geek Dragon (UDIC) http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pcgeek/ PGP public key A1CE4355 available on keyservers #! rnews 2042 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!new= s.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portal.gmu.edu!news= .sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.es.com!dvhunt From: dvhunt@iti.org (Darvell Hunt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: PET sightings Date: 29 Jul 1996 16:19:03 GMT Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., SLC, Utah Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4tio9n$k7o@escc.corp.es.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cessna.corp.es.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) In article , Dav= e Tickle writes: > Whilst flipping channels a few minutes ago, I chanced to see a PET/CBM > machine sitting in the background in a music video for a song called > "Homosapien" by Peter Shelley(?) on Much Music's "80's weekend". This > would be only the third or fourth PET/CBM I've ever seen on television, > the most memorable of which was the one they had as a prize on the > American gameshow "The Price is Right". I remember the "actual retail > price" was $999! How things change. That same machine could probably = be > had for about a hundredth of that now.=20 >=20 The best PET sighting I remember makes me laugh every time I think about = it. It was on an episode of the TV show _Buck Rogers_, of which I was a faith= ful fan back in the 80's. Buck Rogers was sick (or injured?) in bed, and Erin Gray's character was = there with him. The had a PET 2001 computer on a desk or table next to the bed= that they used for a surveilance monitor. (It had a color TV screen installed= into the monitor casing!). They had Erin Gray tap out a few things on the key= board and the video changed. It was great! What high technology for the 25th century! And the keyboard was even the chicklet type and the PET even ha= d the built-in tape deck! I laughed good and hard when I first saw that, which= was when it originally aired. :-) Darvell -- Darvell D. Hunt dvhunt@es.com Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. Salt Lake City, Utah #! rnews 1278 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!newsf= eed.internetmci.com!newshub.csu.net!csulb.edu!info.ucla.edu!nntp.club.cc.= cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!fas-news.harvard.= edu!scws28!marler From: marler@scws28.harvard.edu (John Marler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Help -- Repair questions Date: 29 Jul 1996 16:22:20 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4tiofs$c2q@decaxp.HARVARD.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: scws28.harvard.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hi all. Still looking for c64 repair advice. A C64 that I recently bought seems to work well, except for two problems: Joystick por= t 2 doesn't register the UP/NORTH joystick motion, and it has some problems displaying color. Some screens are displayed just fine; in other instances fields which should be displayed in color are displayed only in white. As an example: the game "Lords of Conquest" displays its map entirely in white -- no colors to distinguish the players' territories -- when run on this machine. Can anyone give me advice on whether this sounds like bad IC's vs. bad internal connections? -- and if it sounds like faulty chips -- which ones and any remarks on replacing them? Thanks -- e. #! rnews 1602 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!newsf= eed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!= oleane!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!01-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!02-newsfeed.uni= vie.ac.at!newsfeed.sunet.se!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!newsfee= d.luth.se!news.luth.se!news From: Joachim Str=F6mbergson Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: PET sightings Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:20:25 +0200 Organization: FairLight Lines: 21 Message-ID: <31FCE4C9.55C6@ludd.luth.se> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: my21.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Dave Tickle wrote: > I remember the "actual retail > price" was $999! How things change. That same machine could probably = be > had for about a hundredth of that now. If the morons that broke in to our hose a few years ago had been in bette= r=20 shape, you could probably have bought it for even less, since it would ha= ve=20 been *hot* :-) Actually they only managed to get the sucker up from the basement. The=20 machine was the first sign of something wrong my father found when enteri= ng=20 the house, he knew it didn't belong in the main entrance! Cheers! Joachim --=20 ---------------------------------------------------- Joachim Str=F6mbergson Student, nice to small animals. Pors=F6g=E5rden 24:6 e-mail : d91-jsn@sm.luth.se 977 54 Lule=E5 phone : +46(0)920 - 22 16 42 ---------------------------------------------------- #! rnews 2814 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!spool.mu.edu!news.sgi.com!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!ne= wspump.sol.net!news.inc.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.e= du!jussieu.fr!rain.fr!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.e= s.com!news From: dvhunt@es.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: CKIT - Dongle! Date: 29 Jul 1996 19:22:00 GMT Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., SLC, Utah Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4tj30o$m5v@escc.corp.es.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cessna.corp.es.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) In article <4tanq5$48m@mksrv1.dseg.ti.com>, egotrip@lesol1.dseg.ti.com (M= ike Neus) writes: -> In article <4ssabc$tl@news-e2d.gnn.com>, Eyeth@gnn.com says... -> > -> >>users via comp.sys.cbm and BBSs. The best way to market C64/128 -> >>software today is as shareware. And in particular registration shou= ld -> >>include a professionaly printed users manual and user support. Of -> >>course shareware releases need a complete text file based manual as -> >>well. I'm surprised that any recent C64/128 software releases such = as -> >>CKIT 94, come with an expensive dongle or any user hostile form of c= opy -> >>protedtion. -> >> -> >I disagree. Shareware, even in the IBM world, has not been largely -> >successful. There are exceptions, of course, like DOOM. ;) It is eith= er -> >releasing the program as a shareware, but not realistically expecting= any -> >revenues, or distributing it through mail order outlets such as SSI o= r CMD, -> >or market the thing themselves. ->=20 -> I fully agree with your statement Todd. After releasing my own sharew= are=20 -> software I am very disapointed at how many people have sent in money. = Doom=20 -> (and its look alikes) incidentally are really "crippleware", as it onl= y=20 -> contains the first level. To play the entire game you need to buy the= =20 -> software. That is the only reason it is successful as shareware. Any= future=20 -> shareware I release will probably be of this form if I can't find a=20 -> distributer. ->=20 DOOM is NOT "crippleware." Crippleware is a shareware program that shows= what the registered version does, but doesn't actually do it; or it may drasti= cally hinder what the register version actually does. Typical examples of crip= pleware are when you have a 5-minute time limit, or a constrained size limit. Th= e software is actually crippled and doesn't fully function. Typically, users HATE t= hese, but developers LIKE them because they usually get more registers. The people= that really want the software outnumber those who get upset and quickly delete it. DOOM is FULLY FUNCTIONAL. You must register to get more levels. This is= VERY typical with shareware -- actually, it is the norm. It is NOT cripplewar= e. JFYI. Darvell -- Darvell D. Hunt dvhunt@es.com Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. Salt Lake City, Utah #! rnews 608 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!newsf= eed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!Isis.= MsState.Edu!not-for-mail From: dwc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (David W. Case) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Looking for C128D keyboard Date: 29 Jul 1996 11:51:02 -0500 Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4tiq5m$ep3@Isis.MsState.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu =20 I am looking for a source to buy a C128D keyboard. Can someone look in a= =20 current CMD Commodore World mag and see if there are any adds for one. =20 Thank you, -David #! rnews 695 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!news.= mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.ne= t!duke.telepac.pt!news.telepac.pt!dux.isec.pt!storm96 From: "Ricardo \"Storm\" Marques Ferreira" Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Project Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:08:30 +0100 Organization: TELEPAC, SA Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dux.isec.pt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=3DUS-ASCII An emulator of a 1570/71/41 running in a PC that permits the C64 hooked u= p to the PC by serial/parallel port to load the disks directly from the PC HD. Storm. #! rnews 4339 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!new= s.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!van.ist= ar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ual= berta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!holly.cc.uleth.ca!upanet.uleth.ca!upanet.uleth.= ca!nntp Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Hilfe zum CBM 8296 D Message-ID: <1996Jul29.105414.9@upanet.uleth.ca> From: schaafsma@upanet.uleth.ca (Sjoerd Schaafsma) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:50:45 GMT References: <4sldfu$9ak@news00.btx.dtag.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: uts02-13.cc.uleth.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Lines: 93 Martin.Rinder@t-online.de (Lingo Martin Ender) wrote: >recently I became a Commodore CBM 8296 D from my school. But I have some= =20 >problems with it. Turning the power on the two Disk drive LEDs and the=20 >LED at the center begin to show red light and flashing. Trying to watch=20 >the directory of disks leads to no result. The machine doesn't react to=20 >this. No further input is possible and I have to restart the machine. >Does anybody know about this problem. Are the two disk drives ok?=20 >I tried out the commands "directory" and "load "$",8". Are this commands= =20 >wrong? >Has anybody something like a manual of this Commodore product? >My EMail-adress: 095476991-0001@t-online.de. Martin Maybe this will help you. I included a few extra bits and pieces since it was all in one file anyway. Same: Directory-File Header format and BAM format and the directory -sector format in the 4040 (directory blocks- track 18 sector 01 to 18) sure sounds familiar *grin* even the "sector distribution by track" is the same. Memory locations and the "user command Jump table" are different however. In case of disk drive errors the diagnostics chart for the 4040 goes like this (according to the T Book): Num of Flashes | Error Cause | Component, Location 1 | Zero Page | 6532, C1, E1 2 | Rom | H1 3 | Rom | L1 4 | Rom | J1 5 | Zero Page | 6530, K3; 6504, H3 6 | n/a | n/a 7 | Ram | 2114, D4, D5 8 | Ram | 2114, E4, E5 9 | Ram | 2114, F4, F5 10 | ROM | 6530, K3; 6504, H3 The Jump Table (you are planning to program your drives a few times *grin*> Standard | Alternate | Function Syntax | (1541 n/a) | ------------------------------------------------------------------ U0 | | Reset User Jump Vector U1 | UA | Block-Read replacement U2 | UB | Block-Write replacement U3 | UC | Jump to $1300 U4 | UD | Jump to $1303 U5 | UE | Jump to $1306 U6 | UF | Jump to $1309 U7 | UG | Jump to $130C U8 | UH | Jump to $130F U9 | UI | Jump to $10F0 U: | UJ | Power-Up Vector (reset) TS> 4. Can I get the pin-outs for the cable anywhere, so I can build TS> one? hmmmm a diagram on page 98 gives this as a pinout: IEEE Connectors Pins ------------------------- | o | ||^^^^----____ | || ^^^^--____| || || DIO1 |[ 1 ] [ 13 ]| DIO5 DIO2 |[ 2 ] [ 14 ]| DIO6 DIO3 |[ 3 ] [ 15 ]| DIO7 DIO4 |[ 4 ] [ 16 ]| DIO8 EOI |[ 5 ] [ 17 ]| REN DAV |[ 6 ] [ 18 ]| DAV Ground NRFD |[ 7 ] [ 19 ]| NRFD Ground NDAC |[ 8 ] [ 20 ]| NDAC Ground IFC |[ 9 ] [ 21 ]| IFC Ground SRQ |[ 10 ] [ 22 ]| SRQ Ground ATN |[ 11 ] [ 23 ]| ATN Ground Shield/ |[ 12 ] [ 24 ]| Signal Ground Earth Ground || || || _____----^^^^| ||____---^^ | | o | |-----------------------| Sjoerd Schaafsma=20 - a sometime 8 bit holdout in Lethbridge, AB, Canada #! rnews 2268 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!new= s.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!van.ist= ar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ual= berta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!holly.cc.uleth.ca!upanet.uleth.ca!upanet.uleth.= ca!nntp Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Hilfe zum CBM 8296 D Message-ID: <1996Jul29.105421.10@upanet.uleth.ca> From: schaafsma@upanet.uleth.ca (Sjoerd Schaafsma) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:50:53 GMT References: <4sldfu$9ak@news00.btx.dtag.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: uts02-13.cc.uleth.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Lines: 42 Martin.Rinder@t-online.de (Lingo Martin Ender) wrote: >Hallo, >recently I became a Commodore CBM 8296 D from my school. But I have some= =20 >problems with it. Turning the power on the two Disk drive LEDs and the=20 >LED at the center begin to show red light and flashing. Trying to watch=20 >the directory of disks leads to no result. The machine doesn't react to=20 >this. No further input is possible and I have to restart the machine. >Does anybody know about this problem. Are the two disk drives ok?=20 >I tried out the commands "directory" and "load "$",8". Are this commands= =20 >wrong? Martin I hope this listing helps. I have more info if you want. >My EMail-adress: 095476991-0001@t-online.de. Same: Directory-File Header format and BAM format and the directory -sector format in the 4040 (directory blocks- track 18 sector 01 to 18) sure sounds familiar *grin* even the "sector distribution by track" is the same. Memory locations and the "user command Jump table" are different however. In case of disk drive errors the diagnostics chart for the 4040 goes like this (according to the T Book): Num of Flashes | Error Cause | Component, Location 1 | Zero Page | 6532, C1, E1 2 | Rom | H1 3 | Rom | L1 4 | Rom | J1 5 | Zero Page | 6530, K3; 6504, H3 6 | n/a | n/a 7 | Ram | 2114, D4, D5 8 | Ram | 2114, E4, E5 9 | Ram | 2114, F4, F5 10 | ROM | 6530, K3; 6504, H3 =1A Sjoerd Schaafsma=20 - a sometime 8 bit holdout in Lethbridge, AB, Canada #! rnews 1583 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!new= s.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-s= tate.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!01-newsfeed.u= nivie.ac.at!02-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.sunet.se!news00.sunet.se!su= nic!news99.sunet.se!news.chalmers.se!news.gu.se!news From: MagerValp Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Amiga ROMS Date: 29 Jul 1996 19:03:40 +0200 Organization: Educational Programme for Computational Linguistics, Univ. = of Gothenburg Lines: 14 Sender: cl3polof@hal.cling.gu.se Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.cling.gu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-reply-to: "Ricardo \"Storm\" Marques Ferreira"'s message of Mon, 29 Ju= l 1996 15:00:13 +0100 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.2 >>>>> "Ricardo" =3D=3D Ricardo \"Storm\" Marques Ferreira write= s: Ricardo> Could somebody post the amiga roms (1.3)? You could post 2.0 Ricardo> & 3.0 if you want. oh, i get to? how nice of you. thanks, --=20 ___ . + . . . Per Olofsson ._|___|_, . . . . . + . . o =20 o-o + . + MagerValp@Goth.Org . . + + + . =20 - . . . o + . . . =20 " + + . http://www.cling.gu.se/~cl3polof/ C++ - like C but with two trainers #! rnews 1956 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!new= s.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-s= tate.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!01-newsfeed.u= nivie.ac.at!02-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.sunet.se!news00.sunet.se!su= nic!news99.sunet.se!news.chalmers.se!news.gu.se!news From: MagerValp Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Plus 4 / C16 games, interested in trading Date: 29 Jul 1996 19:01:15 +0200 Organization: Educational Programme for Computational Linguistics, Univ. = of Gothenburg Lines: 24 Sender: cl3polof@hal.cling.gu.se Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.cling.gu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-reply-to: Glen Lambert's message of Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:51:05 +0100 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.2 >>>>> "Glen" =3D=3D Glen Lambert writes: Glen> Calling all C16 / Plus 4 fans, Glen> If you have the capabillity to send these old games over the Glen> internet then please drop me a line at my EMail. Glen> I am now able to transfer from C16 / Plus 4 disk to PC and vice Glen> versa so I'm calling all of you who can do the same. Glen> I'm trying to locate a few games so if you have a few games tha Glen> can be sent then please Email me, I have plenty to send in Glen> return. please upload them to a publically accessible ftp server, f ex ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/cbm --=20 ___ . + . . . Per Olofsson ._|___|_, . . . . . + . . o =20 o-o + . + MagerValp@Goth.Org . . + + + . =20 - . . . o + . . . =20 " + + . http://www.cling.gu.se/~cl3polof/ C++ - like C but with two trainers #! rnews 1075 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.intern= etmci.com!news.softdisk.com!usenet From: Jeff Jones Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: LOADSTAR Letter Subscription Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:41:05 -0500 Organization: Loadstar Lines: 12 Message-ID: <31FD2FF1.36BC@softdisk.com> References: <9607290154.AA12781@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: tty027.softdisk.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) To: Adam Vardy Adam Vardy wrote: =20 > : I can't believe I did that! Right now it's $12.00 for 12 issues >=20 > How long are the issues? Up until now we've had to limit the length at 8 pages sinceit has been=20 free until, costing hundreds in postage alone to add to our disks every=20 month. Now that it's on its own, I plan on expanding it to 12 pages=20 next month, and more as subscriptions grow. As stated before, Scott=20 Eggleston from Underground fame, is joining me as assistant editor. #! rnews 1257 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news= -res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!new= sxfer2.itd.umich.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Followay, Jr." Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Compute! software rights Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:21:56 -0500 Organization: PowerHouse (XNET/CommNet) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <31FD3984.589E@ix.netcom.com> References: <4th8cv$pd8@van1s02.cyberion.com> <4thc5q$akd@news2.h1.usa.pi= peline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hou-tx10-08.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jul 29 5:19:56 PM CDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) 'bbstrial@zap.wwdc.com (bbstrial-lynx account)' wrote: =20 > >I haven't taken Compute since the Gazette fled the paper world. > > > >Is the disk version still being put out, or did that die off as well? Next, R. T. Cunningham replied: =20 > I believe the disk version lingered for awhile, but yes, it's dead now = too. Yes, they are dead now; however most of the good submissions were hande= d down to LoadStar, who is planning on publishing some of the nicer apps (l= ast I read, anyway). JackLF #! rnews 1961 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.co= m!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!aga= te!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.na= sa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!news.dseg.ti.com!news=09 From: egotrip@lesol1.dseg.ti.com (Mike Neus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: CKIT - Dongle! Date: 26 Jul 1996 15:21:41 GMT Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4tanq5$48m@mksrv1.dseg.ti.com> References: <96072018373047741@qcs.org> <4ssabc$tl@news-e2d.gnn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cns0599352.dseg.ti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII In article <4ssabc$tl@news-e2d.gnn.com>, Eyeth@gnn.com says... > >>users via comp.sys.cbm and BBSs. The best way to market C64/128 >>software today is as shareware. And in particular registration should >>include a professionaly printed users manual and user support. Of >>course shareware releases need a complete text file based manual as >>well. I'm surprised that any recent C64/128 software releases such as >>CKIT 94, come with an expensive dongle or any user hostile form of copy >>protedtion. >> >I disagree. Shareware, even in the IBM world, has not been largely >successful. There are exceptions, of course, like DOOM. ;) It is either >releasing the program as a shareware, but not realistically expecting an= y >revenues, or distributing it through mail order outlets such as SSI or C= MD, >or market the thing themselves. I fully agree with your statement Todd. After releasing my own shareware= =20 software I am very disapointed at how many people have sent in money. Do= om=20 (and its look alikes) incidentally are really "crippleware", as it only=20 contains the first level. To play the entire game you need to buy the=20 software. That is the only reason it is successful as shareware. Any fu= ture=20 shareware I release will probably be of this form if I can't find a=20 distributer. #! rnews 2573 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombi= e.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov= !bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!news.dseg.ti.com!news=09 From: egotrip@lesol1.dseg.ti.com (Mike Neus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Commodore Hacking Followup (was: Re: bincancel:55 large bina= ries:AR505:@@NCM) Date: 29 Jul 1996 15:47:54 GMT Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 52 Message-ID: <4timfa$7lt@mksrv1.dseg.ti.com> References: <4t8eh9$o7l@pravda.aa.msen.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cns0599352.dseg.ti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 In article <4t8eh9$o7l@pravda.aa.msen.com>, brain@mail.msen.com says... > >In light of this post, how do folks propose I change the distribution of= the >magazine. Evidently, this ARMM system will make publication of C=3DH an= d >others like DisC=3Dovery impossible via the newsgroup.=20 > >As the FAQ maintainer (and the pseudo-contact person, though not really)= , >I suppose I can ask that this newsgroup be excluded from the ARMM >check list by marking it so. =20 > >However, I will not act until I hear from some of th regulars and >new users of this group. > >To state the obvious: > >Commodore Hacking has traditionally been posted to the newsgroup as well >as made available via email to present to the largest possible audience >of Commodore owners. Certain users either cannot receive large messages >via email, while others simply do not have reliable email access. >Most do not have either FTP or WWW access. In the beginning, there was = no >binaries newsgroup to post to, and I am somewhat unconvinced there is >one currently. > >This magazine has been presented in comp.sys.cbm since 1991, when Craig >Taylor posted the first issue. > >For the moment, those who would like to read the latest issue can access >it from http://www.msen.com~brain/pub/iss13.txt > >As well, users can access the file from the Commodore Hacking MAILSERV >server. > >Send email to: brain@mail.msen.com >Subject: MAILSERV >Body of MSG: >send iss13.txt >ls >help >quit > >If your provider limits email to a certain size, there is a MAXLINEs=20 options, read the help for more info. > >Jim > Jim, I think the file deletion was for somthing other than C=3D Hacking. It s= howed=20 up on my system today as message number 24675. Based on the large number= of=20 non-computer groups that had files deleted, it leads me to think that=20 somebody might have been spamming. #! rnews 1380 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!b= cm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!news.dseg.ti.com!news=09 From: egotrip@lesol1.dseg.ti.com (Mike Neus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: whats in a 128d??? Date: 29 Jul 1996 15:58:40 GMT Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 21 Distribution: na Message-ID: <4tin3g$7lt@mksrv1.dseg.ti.com> References: <4t9b9f$1sj@omnifest.uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cns0599352.dseg.ti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 In article <4t9b9f$1sj@omnifest.uwm.edu>, amcinnis@omnifest.uwm.edu says.= .. > >i was recently playing with some new software for my commie when i found= a >utility prog. >i put it in and it said the internal drive was a 1571!!! >i always thought that there was a 1541 in commodores??? >is this program right?? >did they make internal 1571 for a commodore 128d? >i rescued this from being thrown out from a rummage thing i was helping = out >with so i dont know who had it last.. The internal drive on all C128D's are of the 1571 variety. You can even=20 replace the internal 1571 mechanism with one from an external 1571 if you= so=20 desire. >i dont want to open it up to find out because it has original warranty s= eals >on the screws!!! I don't think you have to worry about voiding your warrenty. It was only= 90=20 days to begin with. :) #! rnews 631 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!spool.mu.edu!olivea!wetware!kaiwan.kaiwan.com!no= t-for-mail From: coolhand@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Roger W Lueck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: hardware Date: 29 Jul 1996 16:58:19 -0700 Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310-527-4279,818-756-0180,909-785-9712,714= -638-4133,805-294-9338) Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4tjj6r$pi9@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kaiwan009.kaiwan.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have a friend who is looking for a power supply for a 1581 and a super grafix interface. If you can help, please email him directly at lien@why.net He will really appreciate any help. #! rnews 1544 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!n= ewsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!u= senet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!usenet From: wanderer_rtc@usa.pipeline.com(R. T. Cunningham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Request for Programming Assistance Date: 29 Jul 1996 18:49:49 GMT Organization: BBS SysOp Extraordinaire Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4tj14d$k59@news2.h1.usa.pipeline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.8.231.4 X-PipeUser: wanderer_rtc X-PipeHub: usa.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (R. T. Cunningham) X-Newsreader: Pipeline v3.5.0 If you could take the time to type and run this small program and post/e-mail me the=20 information printed on the screen, and what drive type it corresponds to,= I would be most appreciative. =20 If you can use the "ui" command to read the drive information, and can include that info as well, that would be great! =20 =20 10 dv=3D8:rem substitute your device number for the 8. =20 20 b$=3D"":c$=3D"":open15,dv,15 =20 30 lo=3D255:hi=3D255:gosub100:a$=3D"1 -"+b$ =20 40 ifa<>198then80 =20 50 lo=3D234:hi=3D16:gosub100:a$=3Da$+": 2 -"+b$ =20 60 ifa<>1then80 =20 70 lo=3D172:hi=3D16:gosub100:a$=3Da$+": 3 -"+b$ =20 80 printa$:close15:end =20 100 print#15,"m-r"+chr$(lo)+chr$(hi) =20 110 get#15,b$:a=3Dasc(b$) =20 120 b$=3Dstr$(a):return =20 =20 This project is ongoing. If I get enough responses, I'll post the result= s. If I need further info, I'll send you E-Mail. =20 --=20 =20 Richard T. Cunningham (a.k.a. Wanderer)=20 SysOp of the Desert Oasis BBS in Phoenix, AZ=20 A Commodore 128 BBS, 602-849-2892 #! rnews 1000 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.co= m!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!ott= .istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!Inf= oNET.st-johns.nf.ca!abe0084 From: abe0084@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (Adam Vardy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Joystick Port Interfacing Date: 29 Jul 1996 21:31:18 GMT Organization: St. John's InfoNET Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4tjaj6$v41@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <4stl6h$add@news.isl.net> <31F39CBA.6F91@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: infonet.st-johns.nf.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Jack Followay, Jr. (jacklf@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : Michael Miller wrote: : =20 : > That's basically all I have right now...feel free to comment on this,= send : > me messages, design better systems, etc. : Many thanks for posting the info; I will certainly let you know if I : have any success. =3D) Michael, you wouldn't mind reposting your post, would you? I missed it. #! rnews 1225 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!spool.mu.edu!news.sgi.com!swrinde!news-res.gsl.n= et!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!news.cais.net!news2= .digex.net!news5.digex.net!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!tdrake1 From: tdrake1@umbc.edu (drake thomas ( phd posi)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Earth Orbit Stations (EA) Date: 30 Jul 1996 04:14:03 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4tk26b$ona@news.umbc.edu> References: <4t0ssm$cc8@News.IDT.NET> <31F690F1.4BC2@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc9.umbc.edu NNTP-Posting-User: tdrake1 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Quantum Leaper (dbelter@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : jms7@mail.idt.net wrote: : >=20 : > Am I the only one who still plays this game? : No but I haven't played the game in about a year. It one of my : favorite games behind MULE. Have you have saved Mars on the=20 : hardest setting? Where can one still buy this game?? Tom -- -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Thomas Drake |From an 80-column Atari 8-bit Home Computer... tdrake1@umbc.edu | Through the telephone, off of the server, Test First! Then Code! | over the T-1 backbone, nothing but 'Net! #! rnews 704 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!n= ews.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!ab594 From: ab594@yfn.ysu.edu (lee renda) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: WANTED: COMMODORE 128 D Computer Date: 30 Jul 1996 04:24:59 GMT Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4tk2qr$gft@news.ysu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu I am interested in buying a GOOD Working COMMODORE 128 D Computer. I only need the=20 computer by it self. I already have everything else .=20 , Please reply by e-mail ab594@yfn.ysu.edu Lee Renda , P.S I would even be willing to purchase the computer without the keyboard or floppy drive, as long as the Computer is in GOOD WORKING ORDER. #! rnews 1108 Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.co= m!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.te= xas.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!galileo.cris.com!Rug-rat From: Rug-rat@cris.com (Thomas Pinto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: SidPrograms+Digiprograms Date: 29 Jul 1996 21:10:17 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4tj9bp$55g@herald.concentric.net> References: <4tbove$k1k@herald.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: galileo.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] BOWES1 (Bowes1@cris.com) wrote: : > If anyone feels like it, email me any/all of your AUDIO PROGRAMS fo= r the : > c64/128. Meaning....sids, digis, digimakers, music makers, everythin= g and : I don't have it online here, but if you go to the FTP site : ccnga.uwaterloo.ca and look around there you will find a number of 64 a= nd : 128 digi programs, including Digiplayer 3.1 for the 64 (reu optional), = and : my own, Sound Studio 3.8 for the 128 (reu needed)=20 Cool..Thanks! -Tom =END=